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Post by waris on Jun 5, 2018 1:56:12 GMT
Just to be clear no one here had an angry tone or is closed minded to knowledge or wisdom. Our priority is having relationship with God, conforming to the image of Christ, and setting people free. Useless debates about theology and flat earth is not going to get us anywhere.
The Bible says wisdom of the world is foolishness with God. There is no debating about whether Jesus Christ is God. He is God and saying He isn’t is blasphemy.
We are not attacking or putting anyone down simply because we don’t agree with them. Saying our lives depends on the information you shared with us is deceiving people which is why I said something about it. All of us were decieved at some point so we focus on what the Bible says in order to not be decieved again.
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Post by Martin Luther on Jun 5, 2018 4:19:01 GMT
Just to be clear no one here had an angry tone or is closed minded to knowledge or wisdom. Our priority is having relationship with God, conforming to the image of Christ, and setting people free. Useless debates about theology and flat earth is not going to get us anywhere. The Bible says wisdom of the world is foolishness with God. There is no debating about whether Jesus Christ is God. He is God and saying He isn’t is blasphemy. We are not attacking or putting anyone down simply because we don’t agree with them. Saying our lives depends on the information you shared with us is deceiving people which is why I said something about it. All of us were decieved at some point so we focus on what the Bible says in order to not be decieved again. you lie about being close minded to knowledge "conforming to the image of christ" what does that even mean? make sure you look like him? sounds like a lot of hot air! saying Jesus is God is Blasphemy your worshiping his son insulting someones intellect just because they want to educate you about flat earth saying hes here for attention never providing scriptural proof of your rebuttal He sure did with that long list he posted wow someone needs to donate a really big mirror to you guys
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Post by waris on Jun 5, 2018 4:27:30 GMT
you lie about being close minded to knowledge "conforming to the image of christ" what does that even mean? make sure you look like him? sounds like a lot of hot air! saying Jesus is God is Blasphemy your worshiping his son insulting someones intellect just because they want to educate you about flat earth saying hes here for attention never providing scriptural proof of your rebuttal He sure did with that long list he posted wow someone needs to donate a really big mirror to you guys I did provide scriptures I just didn’t put the chapter number and verse, proving that you guys don’t read the Bible thoroughly. Conforming into the image of Christ is also a scripture. Also you could of asked where is what I said in scripture and I would have told you, but I wanted you to look it up for yourself also proving that you don’t test what people tell you. No one is insulting anyone’s intellect and this isn’t about rebuttals. No one said he is here for attention. This isn’t about proving who is smarter it’s about truth.
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Post by Martin Luther on Jun 5, 2018 4:58:32 GMT
I did provide scriptures I just didn’t put the chapter number and verse, proving that you guys don’t read the Bible thoroughly. Conforming into the image of Christ is also a scripture. Also you could of asked where is what I said in scripture and I would have told you, but I wanted you to look it up for yourself also proving that you don’t test what people tell you. No one is insulting anyone’s intellect and this isn’t about rebuttals. No one said he is here for attention. This isn’t about proving who is smarter it’s about truth. that only proves he didn't memorize where every verse in the bible is and if anyone can do that they are a savant. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Rom 8:29means Those whom God had already chosen he also set apart to become like his Son, so that the Son would be the first among many believers. you just insulted my intellect by ASSuming I don't read the Bible thoroughlythis isnt about who is smarter this is about who is Humble and willing to recieve knowledge no matter who it comes from and then filtering the truth and those rules up there say it all cant believe you boot people for having opposing opinions I'm done man so quit trying to cover your ass by putting in the last word in because those last words just keep making you sound worse. If you truly want to help save someone you can't lie and contradict and expect them to stick around...you know them by their fruits and your fruit stinks maybe its your approach who knows but im tired of wasting my time on a red in the face Assumer
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Post by waris on Jun 5, 2018 5:20:12 GMT
that only proves he didn't memorize where every verse in the bible is and if anyone can do that they are a savant. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Rom 8:29means Those whom God had already chosen he also set apart to become like his Son, so that the Son would be the first among many believers. you just insulted my intellect by ASSuming I don't read the Bible thoroughlythis isnt about who is smarter this is about who is Humble and willing to recieve knowledge no matter who it comes from and then filtering the truth and those rules up there say it all cant believe you boot people for having opposing opinions I'm done man so quit trying to cover your ass by putting in the last word in because those last words just keep making you sound worse. If you truly want to help save someone you can't lie and contradict and expect them to stick around...you know them by their fruits and your fruit stinks maybe its your approach who knows but im tired of wasting my time on a red in the face Assumer Reading the Bible thoroughly has nothing to do with intellect it has to do with discernment of the truth. Haven’t booted anyone so far. And the only one assuming things and insulting is you. Willing to receive knowledge does not indicate humility. There are plenty of prideful people who have a lot of knowledge and are willing to receive more. However willing to accept correction and rebuke is humble and wise. Have you seen the whole earth yourself to say whether it’s round or flat? If it’s not going to save my soul then my life does not depend on it. Jesus Christ is God. Read revelation 5 where they worship the Lamb. What did I say that was so offensive? I would have not said anything if he just posted the links, but saying my life depends on it was a lie so I said something.
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Post by moni on Jun 5, 2018 11:00:28 GMT
Huge Spirit of rejection
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Post by moni on Jun 5, 2018 11:13:24 GMT
There is a difference between being open minded and denying Jesus. We can learn but the Truth that our Spirit testify within us cannot be changed.
If thats how you communicate with potential fellowshippers and then saying everyone betrays you, then I suggest to have a close look at your heart.
Theres a pattern. That rejection spirit WANTS you to be alone.
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Post by MArtin Luther on Jun 5, 2018 14:26:09 GMT
Your Life MAY depend on it.....you don't know for a 100% certainty that your life doesn't depend on it you call him a liar but you gave nothing PROOVING he was 100% wrong or even 1% wrong about that so you don't know you haven't even tried to debunk the flat earth you never gave him a chance you were too busy passing judgment and assuming and then throwing some half hearted scripture out there that you were to busy to look up and provide a refrence number to then you tell him he was too lazy to look it up. wow bro keep puttin that last Foot in your mouth Do you need a mirror i'll give you one out of the gooodness of my heart didn't hear anyone deny Jesus he denies the trinity he denies worshiping Jesus He worships God and learns from his teacher (Jesus) you are too busy preaching to even hear him. And you gave him none of the respect you give yourselves. If that man was carring a message from God you just slammed the door in his face! hey moni judge/assume much?
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Post by Martin Luther on Jun 5, 2018 14:53:33 GMT
Reading the Bible thoroughly has nothing to do with intellect it has to do with discernment of the truth. Haven’t booted anyone so far. And the only one assuming things and insulting is you. Willing to receive knowledge does not indicate humility. There are plenty of prideful people who have a lot of knowledge and are willing to receive more. However willing to accept correction and rebuke is humble and wise. Have you seen the whole earth yourself to say whether it’s round or flat? If it’s not going to save my soul then my life does not depend on it. Jesus Christ is God. Read revelation 5 where they worship the Lamb. What did I say that was so offensive? I would have not said anything if he just posted the links, but saying my life depends on it was a lie so I said something. Go back and read rev 1:1 you just proved the point im trying to make by referencing rev 5 rev1:1 tells us that rev5 is a warning about what kind of things are to happen in the last days like worshiping Jesus. for future reference insulting someones intel is offensive no i havent seen the whole earth but i have seen all the evidence esp. water that proves it is flat. and as long as you keep coming at me without facts and without Love (like you love yourself) your gonna be red in the face every time you read my reply
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Post by moni on Jun 5, 2018 16:25:36 GMT
Its as clear as day. that spirit will make you see other peoples intentions as wrong. Not one person here treats you as you interpret it. Thats huge delusion. Not even my discerment was needed.
Jesus is our Lord. If this makes you this angry , thats antichrist spirit in work too. There is really no discussion on it. Cause this is the foundation.
This is a point when im goin to disengage. Its pointless, too much of hurt and anger that we are unable to get through. Its only God who can soften your heart. will pray for you and for your healing.
Hopefully one day you will return with restored relationships, full of joy and peace that youve been running away from. In Jesus name.
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Post by Jeff G on Jun 5, 2018 19:19:20 GMT
Regarding this discussion about whether Jesus is God or not - I think it would be helpful to be precise about what we mean by that, and to pay careful attention to the way the Bible uses the word "God". Sometimes the Bible uses the word "God" to refer specifically to God the Father. The last verse in 2 Corinthians is the clearest example - " The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." (2 Cor. 13:14). Clearly the word "God" is referring specifically to the Father. Other passages do the same thing - and even Jesus uses the word "God" in this same way. So when Jesus talks about God in a way that sounds like He is talking about someone else, it's because He is talking specifically about the Father. ....... Jesus is not the Father. This explains how the Bible can talk about God being distinct from Jesus - because Jesus and the Father are not the same. But surely Jesus is God. But here the word "God" is being used in a different way - but in a way that also shows up in scripture. When I say that Jesus is God, what I mean is that He shares completely in the one divine nature; the attributes of deity apply to Him. " For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily" (Colossians 2:9). Having this in mind helps John 1:1 to make a lot of sense - "(1) In the beginning was the Word, (2) and the Word was with God [the Father], (3) and the Word was God." I put the stuff in parentheses and brackets to help explain. Part 2 fits precisely with what I was saying in the second paragraph above. And part 3 corresponds to my third paragraph. In the beginning, Jesus, the Word, existed with God the Father and shared in His divine attributes. What I've said so far should cover many of the objections you made to the idea that Jesus is God. But we should address another detail. Philippians 2:5-8 talks about how Jesus emptied himself in order to become human. To me, this means that He temporarily laid aside His divine attributes in order to become human and function the way other humans do. This explains why Jesus didn't know certain things, and had other "limitations" as you said. But this in no way contradicts the idea that Jesus is God, it just means that he "emptied himself" for a time. This really should address many of the objections you raised. But if there's something you think I didn't cover, or you want clarification or whatever, feel free to ask. Peace
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Post by waris on Jun 6, 2018 0:38:37 GMT
Ok since you won't look up the scriptures that prove the idea that Jesus Christ is God and the Christ. Since you are accusing us of lying and not willing to accept knowledge and not operating out of love and you quoting from the quran and doing the very things you are accusing us of, i have put the scriptures that say otherwise. My life does not depend on the knowledge of round earth or flat earth because before people even knew the shape of the earth it had no effect on their lives and it does not have an effect on my life whether it be flat, round, or square.
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. (John 5:18)
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son (1 John 2:22)
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. (Revelation 5:13-14)
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 16:16-17)
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. (1 John 4:10)
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. (John 14:9-11)
If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; (John 14:15-16)
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous (1 John 5:3)
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Post by B.k. on Jun 6, 2018 0:50:07 GMT
lord and God hold two different meanings studying etymology is very important to studying Gods word so is studying World History without that we skip over understanding things like molek abbadon mammon one big thing we christians forget to study is the world around us. for instance the way the animal act towards their own kinds they set an example for us not to kill each other they don't talk smack ect... I've met to many believers that focus soley on Jesus and the Bible which leads to tunnel vision and puts blinders on to the world around us The Bible gives instruction for good health logevity marriage heartache dealing with evil and surviving this world. But there is more to learn about God from just opening our eyes and testing All things. I see alot of believers shut out others who don't have the same beliefs because they are afraid of being corrupted by something that is evil masquerading as Good.the eyes cannot see what the mind doesn't know which is why we have to study our enemy if we ever hope to defeat it. If believers shut out those that are lost the most will never be able to save anyone. We have to have Faith that God is going to give us the discernment and strength to resist temptation. so please don't be afraid to Look into things like FE, religions, Magnetics ancient history spelling physics and such that are taboo to Christians. This attitude was not passed on by our creator or he wouldn't have given us free will. (and don't take me wrong the bible and Jesus are very important.)
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Post by waris on Jun 6, 2018 0:58:04 GMT
The problem was not that you gave us info on flat earth, The problem was that there was a lie involved in which you said our lives depend on it. I have looked into many things like flat earth and other stuff you talk about and i have come to realize it's all a distraction from our walk with God.
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Post by Martin Luther on Jun 6, 2018 1:01:01 GMT
alright waris finally we can have a good debate without throwing stones. I read those passages you posted And I don't have a problem with any except the rev one and I already said my opinion on that. But my Question now is...why do you choose to believe those three verses over the umpteen I posted? Is there something I don't know or are you just picking a side how are we supposed to figure this out ?
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