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Post by bk on Jun 4, 2018 21:21:06 GMT
If you live around liberty why don’t you go by the farm. You may learn a lot from the brothers there. I’m sorry you feel we slammed doors on you. The problem with typing is we can’t see each other face to face and it’s easy to take words the wrong way. It’s hard to have proper conversation. I understand you may be very zealous but let it be for the Father and Jesus and not as much for His creation. why shouldn't I have zeal toward His creation? doesn't He? Didn't Jesus?
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Post by b.k. on Jun 4, 2018 21:24:55 GMT
dont see the point in breaking it up but if its hard to read your device should have a zoom feature no not quoting the quoran
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Post by zirui on Jun 4, 2018 21:31:25 GMT
The thing you post seem to deny the deity of Christ
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Post by bk on Jun 4, 2018 21:34:01 GMT
If you live around liberty why don’t you go by the farm. You may learn a lot from the brothers there. I’m sorry you feel we slammed doors on you. The problem with typing is we can’t see each other face to face and it’s easy to take words the wrong way. It’s hard to have proper conversation. I understand you may be very zealous but let it be for the Father and Jesus and not as much for His creation. why shouldn't I have zeal toward His creation? doesn't He? Didn't Jesus? If I went to the farm I bet WE could learn alot from EACHOTHER!
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Post by bk on Jun 4, 2018 21:38:31 GMT
Jesus is not a christ The trinity is a lie Jesus was a man God sent him to show us the way he did that by speaking and setting the example
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Post by moni on Jun 4, 2018 21:41:54 GMT
most of the people here are not part of the farm, we are from different parts of world here bro.
Jesus confirms His deity in the Bible as much as He confirms His humanity. you seem to be advocate for not ignoring parts of the Bible. Why do you feel we would chase you?
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Post by moni on Jun 4, 2018 21:47:21 GMT
Can i just say that if you came to thise forum to look for the cave to hide in from tribulation stuff, its not the right place for this. Its forum for believers to encourage each other and pray for stuff and discuss. The thing that brought us together is fotm1 channel. But we dont come from that place.
i think its important to clear this up, regarding your previous posts.
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Post by zirui on Jun 4, 2018 22:10:23 GMT
Jesus is not a christ The trinity is a lie Jesus was a man God sent him to show us the way he did that by speaking and setting the example . Guys Bk clearly has some errors in doctrine. I feel like this conversation with him has become like a Red Dragon. I feel like it’s almost sucking my attention and provoking me to fight against it. Guys let’s just ignore the weird stuff and not engage in argument. Lest this become full blown red dragon conflict.
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Post by waris on Jun 4, 2018 22:41:08 GMT
Bk sorry bro but I will say that you are decieved into thinking Jesus was not God. The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are all God just in a different form. It is true that the word trinity was made up by the catholics, which confuses people into thinking three dieties, but they are all separate but one diety. Jesus is the Father in flesh form, but He is not the Father. He does say if you have seen me then you have seen the Father. Jesus is limited by the flesh and serves as an example for all humans, and sacrifice to save all those who believe on Him since He is the only man to live without sin. Only God can be sinless and Jesus did make himself equal with God which is why the Pharisees wanted to stone Him. Look up the scriptures about that because I don’t think you have read the whole bible (which is true) or quran (which is false), and you are just going off what people tell you on videos without discernment.
Jesus is the Christ which the disciples said He was when Jesus asked who do you say I am. Only the Christ can be God and save people from hell. You cannot save yourself, you are not worthy to be anything other than what God says you are since you feel we have to be something going off your statement about the globe earth making us feel like nothing. That is a trick of the devil to make trick humans into thinking they can be as God, having some sort of self worth, which is the lie from the garden.
Jesus is the Son of man, not son of man, which is different. Usually God will call His servants son of man and since Jesus was both God and a man, He refers to himself as Son of man since He serves the Father as well. Jesus is God but has lived equal to man still limited by the flesh.
Jesus was the example to all men and is God. After He died, He sent His spirit the Holy Spirit, to be our helper and dwell within us. Jesus did die because of His flesh and because if He didn’t die then we would not have been shown that He was God when He was raised back to life, conquering the last enemy which is death. His death and resurrection is a witness to all men that He was in fact God.
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Post by moni on Jun 4, 2018 22:44:55 GMT
It gives me flashbacks to times when I was following all kinds of theories even tho beliving in God, and being in so much of fear of destruction and unsure of afterlife and researching all the conspiracy theories and being scared of people in power and wars and disasters.
i believe i heard audible voice of God the night before coming to the Truth. I got so scared i ran to the bathroom shaking. Im not sure if i included this in my testimony. He said "you dont know me" now that vocie of God sounds oike thunder is quite accurate description from the Bible i would say.
My imagination of God was destroyed my "wooden idol" was destroyed scales really fell of my eyes. Jesus is the Truth
I came out of my delusions. It is possible. But i know for it to be possible for me i had to be put in darkess and brought very low, until i just had no choice but to be humble before God. And to BELIEVE He will show me the Truth and Himself teach me. It literally felt like the veil was torn and i finally saw what was always there.
Sometimes when i think about it i cant believe! It really happened! I asked Him with all that mess in my head, i told Him i give up, You are God, You show me, I believe You are able to make me understand. And it happened, from that point 1st october 2016, i cant believe how clear things became after years of mess. How JESUS freed me from so many things.
See myself i was researching for years. Quantum physics, agnosticism, law of attraction, even tried being a christian "on my own" reading Bible but it was never open to me, praying rosaries, praying empty prayers. I am so amazed that He actually listened and He showed me the way and letting me know Him continually. HE IS FAITHFUL. My life is evidence of answered prayer! Before i also never had this humility. I believe He put it in me so He can answer that prayer. Because it was first time ever I was so humble and broken in prayer, that changed my life. PRAISE GOD we will be praying for you. You dont want to miss the literally riches of His glory
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Post by waris on Jun 4, 2018 22:53:47 GMT
Jesus is not a christ The trinity is a lie Jesus was a man God sent him to show us the way he did that by speaking and setting the example . Guys Bk clearly has some errors in doctrine. I feel like this conversation with him has become like a Red Dragon. I feel like it’s almost sucking my attention and provoking me to fight against it. Guys let’s just ignore the weird stuff and not engage in argument. Lest this become full blown red dragon conflict. Thats wise in some cases but not wise in others. If we don’t tell him the truth then how would he know? Bible says have an answer to give to people for the reason we have hope in Christ 1 peter 3:15. That’s why we need to be studying our bibles so we won’t end up decieved or deceiving others. Now if it gets to a point where you tell them the truth and explain why it’s the truth and they still won’t believe then you can walk away. I’ve made mistakes of not explaining to people before why the beliefs they have about God are wrong based on scripture. Maybe if I presented the scriptures and explained to them why they may be holding false doctrine, then they could have had their eyes opened or not.
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Post by demetri on Jun 5, 2018 0:06:03 GMT
Bk. The people at the farm are really sweet. I’m sure you’ll get along just fine if you play nice. And you may just learn a bunch.
I’ll be done with this tread though. Feel free to engage with me in private message or another thread on other topics.
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Post by BK on Jun 5, 2018 0:09:33 GMT
I'm not here to be a red dragon or cause conflict im here to learn/teach/debate. If i'm proven wrong i'll be the first to say so..in order to prove me wrong you have to skip your words and give me God's words in the Bible that backup your point. I have read my bible over and over and over since the day i promised Him I would serve Him I have dedicated my life to finding the truth so my children don't have the struggle i've had. I have learned theology physics astronomy math chemistry cultures ancient history and more. about people ,God, Love, Evil ect. and I'm not done yet. I didnt come here to steal a cave i want a relationship with a fellow human i have no friends i have no family the only people in my life are my three sons and my wife. its been like this since i was 16. my kids were born when I was 22 and 24 i married my wife last month. I'm tired of being betrayed by everyone in my life no matter how much i think they love me. i wish for my fellow man to be good in their hearts again so my lineage doesnt have to feel this way im trying to find people that dont judge or look down their noses at you im looking for people that truly love others more than themselves. people that know that they have been decieved starting with the very brestmilk from their first meal(i.e. formula)that their parents and grandparents were decieved and they passed it on looking for people that want this whole vicious cycle of hate to stop looking for people that wont lie even if it hurts. anyone who talks to me like i havent done my homework like i'm just some idiot flat earther is no friend of mine and is not following His example
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Post by moni on Jun 5, 2018 0:35:05 GMT
I can tell you are quite the character, so am I. But we already have the Truth and we need to do good and work on ourselves to spread Light in this world and do serious warfare. Thats why i believe in priorities.
You do say like you are open minded and ready.
God is my witness, I am not trying to be hurtful, if there is any bad intent in my heart as i say this I reject it in Jesus name. But because I see people like that in my enviroment and in my own family, who got hurt, and became really sensitive and ended up having no friends and being bitter towards the world and expecting from other people to love them unconditionally, while not being willing to sacrifice their emotion. Basically being wronged and seeking to blame. (Thats what the people i know do but ended up with the same position as you claim you did) they usually see hidden motives are are being distrusting.
Brother, the world is like this. But once we let it, in we build walls and we end up without friendships and healthy relations. Jesus was betrayed we will be too. Maybe even many times. But not to be able to have any kind of fellowship is some underlying problem. You will NOT find perfect brotherhood anywhere. We are all imperfect. But thats why there is grace. The supernatural forgivness, and love that will amaze the whole world. You look for those people but do you offer the same? Im only inviting you to think, not accusing. Its because it sounds a lot like people i know.
It seems like you are hurt and I hope you will let yourself be healed and understand that God is your Father. And you dont have to build walls. Jesus came to reveal God as a Father. Like no other prophet. Because He was son of God and the only prophet that referred to God as Father, a firstfruit, so we having His Spirit cry to Him Abba. Only through Jesus you can have a true sonship that will heal all your wounds. Then you will be able to fellowship. Beautifully sacrificially and not selfrightousely. Just open your mind to this possibility, if you dont want to listen to me go into prayer in humility and REALLY wanting to see it. So then you can stop searching for man to be perfect and open up, knowing that He has your back. Cause He is your Father He loves you unconditionaly and in Him is what youre looking for. Through Jesus Christ. And true fellowship with other believer is possible only through The Holy Spirit. first we need to get our houses in order.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 0:59:31 GMT
Well i just read the rules to see if I was being out of line.......... "Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2017 at 12:39am Yep. It's really just that simple. BE NICE. If you're not nice when we feel like you have been used sufficiently to grow our patience and long-suffering then we're just going to eject you. You'll have plenty of warnings, but understand, time is short and we have a lot of things to do that are more important than dealing with people that just flat REFUSE to try to be like Jesus.
There are a few other rules that we are setting because, in our long experience with this stuff, we just feel like they are dead-ends and time wasters.
We're just not going to allow anyone to preach Universal Reconciliation or anything like it. That includes Annhilationism or any other variant of a non-eternal hell. We're convinced that God DOES NOT want that preached - so preach it somewhere else.
Those of us here that are not Torah-observant Messianics don't want to be. We don't need to be yelled at, we've already taken that all to God and we're content as we are. The reverse is also true. Nobody needs a beat-down here. Plant your seed if you feel to - and leave it to the Lord. (This applies to Cessationists, Rapture(Pre/Mid/Post), Black Israelites, and any other rabid believers, too.)
The rest we'll work out as we go along." .........................seems as though you guys have it all figured out and dont need to change a thing! I guess i broke every rule Sorry!
I won't be back on this thread i'm gonna go find some Cessationists, Rapture(Pre/Mid/Post), Black Israelites Torah-observant Messianics Annhilationists because they need Help more than you guys toodles!
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