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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 15:47:59 GMT
The Beast Revelation This letter is dedicated to all Christians.
The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go.
The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.
This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.
Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.
Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.
Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.
Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Government. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005. It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.
In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.
Now, concerning the the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.
Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. Rev.13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men". Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.
Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.
The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similitude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistent with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.
May God bless all who read this letter.
Michael
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 17:16:20 GMT
What do you think about this? Any comments?
Revelation 12 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Revelation 17 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 7 wonders- 7 kings/kingdoms- 7 crowns 5 greek 1 egypt 1 babylon (8th is of the 7) Colossus of Rhodes- greek- sun god Great Pyramid of Giza- egypt-pyramid -structure/ tomb [ra (hebrew for evil) (egyptian for sun god)] Hanging Gardens of Babylon- babylon -garden snake- false paradise/ peace Lighthouse of Alexandria- greek-lucifer-light bearer- reflects light (like moon) Mausoleum at Halicarnassus-persian/greek-tomb/death Statue of Zeus at Olympia- greek- supposed king of gods Temple of Artemis at Ephesus- greek- goddess of animals/wilderness/hunt/moon 7 heads- 7 mountains -mountains of pagan christianity Religion family education media government business arts/entertainment 10 horns- 10 kings/leaders 10 crowns- 10 kings/attributes/powers/positions of authority? Revelations 13 1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Beast- (leopard, lion, bear, dragon) Germany, Great Britain, Russia, China Daniel 7 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. 4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. 5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. 6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. 7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. 17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. 18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. 19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; 23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. One bear head, one lion, four leopard, one dragon, (7 heads) Revelation 9 14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. China has came out in the past saying it has a two hundred million man army (two hundred thousand thousand) War going on in the middle east around syria which is one of the countries that the euphrates river is located in. Sixth trumpet war (ww3) and then battle of armageddon (which US stands with Israel against rest of the world, this battle doesn’t take place as Christ comes before it starts, so i’ve heard), sometime in between when the antichrist stands in the third temple getting rid of animal sacrifices (abomination of desolation), then 3.5 years of tribulation, mark of the beast on right hand or forehead that allows you to buy and sell, which if you take it you have no salvation. After tribulation Christ should return. Christ says it will be like a time never before seen on earth nor ever again will be. (how bad was medieval times? How bad was holocaust?) Revelation 12 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. Eagle (United States) Eagles wings plucked off (American revolution) Time, times and half a time (3.5 years) Midst of the week (3.5 years; one week being seven years) Daniel 7 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Daniel 12 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 18:21:41 GMT
I disagree with your interpretation. Mystery Babylon is a city. It is Jerusalem. It goes back to the keys of understanding. Here is an example. Jerusalem is a city on Earth. Jerusalem is also a city, which is in Heaven and comes down from Heaven with God. What has to be known always is which one is God talking about when he is speaking about Jerusalem. The subject changes and goes back and forth between the two. This is the main reason that no one sees that it is Jerusalem on Earth which is mystery Babylon. I've described the answer to Revelation 13 in my post. It is easy to see if you can put away the mistakes of the past. It all fits. Here is another example. The temple can be three things. One, it can be the temple which was built in Jerusalem and was destroyed. Two, it can be the temple which exists now, which is Muslim. Finally. it can be you, yourself. You are the temple of God which resides in you. Which one are we talking about. If you assume God is talking about a temple on Earth when he says the temple will be raised, then you are waiting for the Jews to build the third temple. If you interpret it as I do, you are waiting for God to raise his people to Heaven before the Great Tribulation. Why, because you are that temple. This is an example of the keys which I am describing. You must know what God is describing when you form an opinion of a verses meaning. Past, present or future, you must know the subject which changes frequently. The purpose for this is to confuse the people of Satan. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they are blind. God's people will understand when the time is right...
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 18:30:09 GMT
I disagree with your interpretation. Mystery Babylon is a city. It is Jerusalem. It goes back to the keys of understanding. Here is an example. Jerusalem is a city on Earth. Jerusalem is also a city, which is in Heaven and comes down from Heaven with God. What has to be known always is which one is God talking about when he is speaking about Jerusalem. The subject changes and goes back and forth between the two. This is the main reason that no one sees that it is Jerusalem on Earth which is mystery Babylon. I've described the answer to Revelation 13 in my post. It is easy to see if you can put away the mistakes of the past. It all fits. Here is another example. The temple can be three things. One, it can be the temple which was built in Jerusalem and was destroyed. Two, it can be the temple which exists now, which is Muslim. Finally. it can be you, yourself. You are the temple of God which resides in you. Which one are we talking about. If you assume God is talking about a temple on Earth when he says the temple will be raised, then you are waiting for the Jews to build the third temple. If you interpret it as I do, you are waiting for God to raise his people to Heaven before the Great Tribulation. Why, because you are that temple. This is an example of the keys which I am describing. You must know what God is describing when you form an opinion of a verses meaning. Past, present or future, you must know the subject which changes frequently. The purpose for this is to confuse the people of Satan. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they are blind. God's people will understand when the time is right... So what part of “my interpretation” is not supported by scripture? Or what do you not agree with?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 18:57:43 GMT
So what part of “my interpretation” is not supported by scripture? Or what do you not agree with? You can support all of your interpretation with scripture, and you have attempted such. I disagree with all of it. The answer to your question, whether or not you are supported by scripture, means nothing. What you have done is interpreted. You have read and devised answers that seem plausible, but none of it is right. What Jesus said, when he was here on Earth was to watch. The answers will come as you see them unfold. What you have done is interpret. You have said this is supposed to happen, and I will wait to see it unfold. Instead, you should have watched, then you will know the meaning.
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 19:04:01 GMT
So what part of “my interpretation” is not supported by scripture? Or what do you not agree with? You can support all of your interpretation with scripture, and you have attempted such. I disagree with all of it. The answer to your question, whether or not you are supported by scripture, means nothing. What you have done is interpreted. You have read and devised answers that seem plausible, but none of it is right. What Jesus said, when he was here on Earth was to watch. The answers will come as you see them unfold. What you have done is interpret. You have said this is supposed to happen, and I will wait to see it unfold. Instead, you should have watched, then you will know the meaning.
If Jerusalem is Babylon then what does this scripture mean? “And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.” Revelation 11:8 If the body is a temple of the Holy Ghost (which it is if you have the Holy Ghost) then how can the antichrist stand in it and take away animal sacrifices? “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:” Matthew 24:15-16 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.” Luke 21:20-21 “For the ships of Kittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.” Daniel 11:30-31 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.” Daniel 12:11 “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” Daniel 7:25 “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” Revelation 13:5-7 “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:” 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 20:16:23 GMT
Also ancient Babylon would be located in modern day Iraq. The Tower of Babel would have been located in Babylon by the river Euphrates.
The Tower of Babel was when the earth was united under one language or when God spilt them into different languages and nations
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 22:11:36 GMT
You can support all of your interpretation with scripture, and you have attempted such. I disagree with all of it. The answer to your question, whether or not you are supported by scripture, means nothing. What you have done is interpreted. You have read and devised answers that seem plausible, but none of it is right. What Jesus said, when he was here on Earth was to watch. The answers will come as you see them unfold. What you have done is interpret. You have said this is supposed to happen, and I will wait to see it unfold. Instead, you should have watched, then you will know the meaning.
If Jerusalem is Babylon then what does this scripture mean? “And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.” Revelation 11:8 If the body is a temple of the Holy Ghost (which it is if you have the Holy Ghost) then how can the antichrist stand in it and take away animal sacrifices?
“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:” Matthew 24:15-16 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.” Luke 21:20-21 When you are given the definition of a word or a phrase, carry that meaning to other verses. If the antichrist is going to stand in the temple, and I told you there are three different temples, which temple do you imagine he will stand in? Not in the Jewish temple, which has been destroyed twice. He will not stand in Jesus's temple, which is you. It can only mean that he will stand in the temple which is already there, the Muslim temple. This is another example of watching. Somehow the prophecy teachers have contrived that the Jews have to rebuild their temple before this can happen. I'm showing you how it can be true today, while you wait and wait for the third temple, which will never happen.
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 22:23:04 GMT
If Jerusalem is Babylon then what does this scripture mean? “And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.” Revelation 11:8 If the body is a temple of the Holy Ghost (which it is if you have the Holy Ghost) then how can the antichrist stand in it and take away animal sacrifices?
“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:” Matthew 24:15-16 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.” Luke 21:20-21 When you are given the definition of a word or a phrase, carry that meaning to other verses. If the antichrist is going to stand in the temple, and I told you there are three different temples, which temple do you imagine he will stand in? Not in the Jewish temple, which has been destroyed twice. He will not stand in Jesus's temple, which is you. It can only mean that he will stand in the temple which is already there, the Muslim temple. This is another example of watching. Somehow the prophecy teachers have contrived that the Jews have to rebuild their temple before this can happen. I'm showing you how it can be true today, while you wait and wait for the third temple, which will never happen. So do muslims sacrifice animals? Is the Muslim temple what Jesus refers to when he says “holy place”?
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 22:30:59 GMT
What does temple mean in this context?
FYI the Jews already have every piece to build the temple and can get it done within months. They just need the permission to build it.
“And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.” Revelation 11:1-2
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 22:44:22 GMT
When you are given the definition of a word or a phrase, carry that meaning to other verses. If the antichrist is going to stand in the temple, and I told you there are three different temples, which temple do you imagine he will stand in? Not in the Jewish temple, which has been destroyed twice. He will not stand in Jesus's temple, which is you. It can only mean that he will stand in the temple which is already there, the Muslim temple. This is another example of watching. Somehow the prophecy teachers have contrived that the Jews have to rebuild their temple before this can happen. I'm showing you how it can be true today, while you wait and wait for the third temple, which will never happen. So do muslims sacrifice animals? Is the Muslim temple what Jesus refers to when he says “holy place”? The temple mount is a holy place, regardless of who controls it.
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 22:48:22 GMT
So do muslims sacrifice animals? Is the Muslim temple what Jesus refers to when he says “holy place”? The temple mount is a holy place, regardless of who controls it.
I don’t know if you saw these but I will copy and paste them. Also ancient Babylon would be located in modern day Iraq. The Tower of Babel would have been located in Babylon by the river Euphrates. The Tower of Babel was when the earth was united under one language or when God spilt them into different languages and nations. What does temple mean in this context? FYI the Jews already have every piece to build the temple and can get it done within months. They just need the permission to build it. “And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.” Revelation 11:1-2
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Post by michael on Dec 15, 2019 23:06:33 GMT
The temple mount is a holy place, regardless of who controls it.
I don’t know if you saw these but I will copy and paste them. Also ancient Babylon would be located in modern day Iraq. The Tower of Babel would have been located in Babylon by the river Euphrates. The Tower of Babel was when the earth was united under one language or when God spilt them into different languages and nations. What does temple mean in this context? FYI the Jews already have every piece to build the temple and can get it done within months. They just need the permission to build it. “And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.” Revelation 11:1-2 I don't care if the Jews have everything for the temple. It will not be built. The temple that was measured was in Heaven. New Jerusalem is in heaven at this time and waiting for the Lord's return. It might help to see, that he was talking with an angel, which was also in heaven.
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 23:10:30 GMT
I don’t know if you saw these but I will copy and paste them. Also ancient Babylon would be located in modern day Iraq. The Tower of Babel would have been located in Babylon by the river Euphrates. The Tower of Babel was when the earth was united under one language or when God spilt them into different languages and nations. What does temple mean in this context? FYI the Jews already have every piece to build the temple and can get it done within months. They just need the permission to build it. “And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.” Revelation 11:1-2 I don't care if the Jews have everything for the temple. It will not be built. The temple that was measured was in Heaven. New Jerusalem is in heaven at this time and waiting for the Lord's return. It might help to see, that he was talking with an angel, which was also in heaven.
So what does “court without the temple” mean and what does “given to gentiles and they should tread it for 42 months” mean?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 23:48:08 GMT
I don't care if the Jews have everything for the temple. It will not be built. The temple that was measured was in Heaven. New Jerusalem is in heaven at this time and waiting for the Lord's return. It might help to see, that he was talking with an angel, which was also in heaven.
So what does “court without the temple” mean and what does “given to gentiles and they should tread it for 42 months” mean? When Satan is kicked out of heaven to the Earth, he will be a God to his people. He will be revealed to his own, but will not be known to God's people. God's people will have left the Earth, taken away from the tribulation to come in the rapture. He will tread down the temple for 42 months. This is a picture of Jerusalem on Earth and Satan's time God has allotted to him. You probably could not make this conclusion unless you had information from other verses, such as Rev. 12. In the verse you quoted you are viewing New Jerusalem and Jerusalem, Israel. Neither have anything to do with the other. The only thing they have in common is the place of Jerusalem. It is to confuse the situation. Both statements are true, but in two very different places...
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