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Post by waris on Dec 17, 2019 20:36:44 GMT
Your flesh is you. What you heard was a demon. The verse in 1 John 4:2 does not say "any spirit which is not of God cannot answer a question with "Yes." It says "any spirit which does not confess 'Jesus Christ is come in the flesh' is not of God." I have heard demons say "yes." That's not the test. A demon or fallen angel or whatever, not of God, cannot say "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." That's the test. If you are uncertain who said something in your mind, it was not you. Can you give an example or details of the demons saying yes, like what you asked etc?
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Post by waris on Dec 16, 2019 23:26:25 GMT
This song doesn't mention God specifically. But I feel the lyrics are inspired/referencing the Book of Revelation in the Bible. Disenfranchised - "End of the World": youtu.be/5WUhtzhZfv4 “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” Matthew 28:20
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Post by waris on Dec 16, 2019 0:33:53 GMT
Either you know what is being discussed, or you think you know. One is the truth, and the other is a lie. Know the difference. Thanks So you don’t know what those mean?
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 23:55:43 GMT
So what does “court without the temple” mean and what does “given to gentiles and they should tread it for 42 months” mean? When Satan is kicked out of heaven to the Earth, he will be a God to his people. He will be revealed to his own, but will not be known to God's people. God's people will have left the Earth, taken away from the tribulation to come in the rapture. He will tread down the temple for 42 months. This is a picture of Jerusalem on Earth and Satan's time God has allotted to him. You probably could not make this conclusion unless you had information from other verses, such as Rev. 12. In the verse you quoted you are viewing New Jerusalem and Jerusalem Israel. Neither have anything to do with the other. The only thing they have in common is the place of Jerusalem. It is to confuse the situation. Both statements are true, but in two very different places...
So what do these phrases mean? Please number them. 1. “Holy place” 2. “Temple of God” 3. “Daily sacrifice” 4. “Sitteth in the temple of God” 5. “Measure the temple of God”
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 23:10:30 GMT
I don’t know if you saw these but I will copy and paste them. Also ancient Babylon would be located in modern day Iraq. The Tower of Babel would have been located in Babylon by the river Euphrates. The Tower of Babel was when the earth was united under one language or when God spilt them into different languages and nations. What does temple mean in this context? FYI the Jews already have every piece to build the temple and can get it done within months. They just need the permission to build it. “And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.” Revelation 11:1-2 I don't care if the Jews have everything for the temple. It will not be built. The temple that was measured was in Heaven. New Jerusalem is in heaven at this time and waiting for the Lord's return. It might help to see, that he was talking with an angel, which was also in heaven.
So what does “court without the temple” mean and what does “given to gentiles and they should tread it for 42 months” mean?
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 22:48:22 GMT
So do muslims sacrifice animals? Is the Muslim temple what Jesus refers to when he says “holy place”? The temple mount is a holy place, regardless of who controls it.
I don’t know if you saw these but I will copy and paste them. Also ancient Babylon would be located in modern day Iraq. The Tower of Babel would have been located in Babylon by the river Euphrates. The Tower of Babel was when the earth was united under one language or when God spilt them into different languages and nations. What does temple mean in this context? FYI the Jews already have every piece to build the temple and can get it done within months. They just need the permission to build it. “And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.” Revelation 11:1-2
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 22:30:59 GMT
What does temple mean in this context?
FYI the Jews already have every piece to build the temple and can get it done within months. They just need the permission to build it.
“And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.” Revelation 11:1-2
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 22:23:04 GMT
If Jerusalem is Babylon then what does this scripture mean? “And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.” Revelation 11:8 If the body is a temple of the Holy Ghost (which it is if you have the Holy Ghost) then how can the antichrist stand in it and take away animal sacrifices?
“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:” Matthew 24:15-16 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.” Luke 21:20-21 When you are given the definition of a word or a phrase, carry that meaning to other verses. If the antichrist is going to stand in the temple, and I told you there are three different temples, which temple do you imagine he will stand in? Not in the Jewish temple, which has been destroyed twice. He will not stand in Jesus's temple, which is you. It can only mean that he will stand in the temple which is already there, the Muslim temple. This is another example of watching. Somehow the prophecy teachers have contrived that the Jews have to rebuild their temple before this can happen. I'm showing you how it can be true today, while you wait and wait for the third temple, which will never happen. So do muslims sacrifice animals? Is the Muslim temple what Jesus refers to when he says “holy place”?
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 21:04:29 GMT
well what did you think it meant before you saw the end referring to Jesus? That the end of all things would come. Like how the last couple chapters of Revelation describe God judging the earth and everyone being judged and then eternal peace/safety after that. Ok I can see how it could be a double meaning that the end of the world would come and that referring to Jesus coming back at around that time as well. “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” Matthew 24:3, 13-14, 21-23, 27, 29-30
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 20:16:23 GMT
Also ancient Babylon would be located in modern day Iraq. The Tower of Babel would have been located in Babylon by the river Euphrates.
The Tower of Babel was when the earth was united under one language or when God spilt them into different languages and nations
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 19:12:46 GMT
I said they're most likely multiple meanings, but I don't know what they are right now. Give a hypothetical example of how it could be prophetic or apply specifically to a person's life in their current situation. Like how some people read a verse in the Bible and they feel applies directly to their life like God is talking to them. well what did you think it meant before you saw the end referring to Jesus?
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 19:04:01 GMT
So what part of “my interpretation” is not supported by scripture? Or what do you not agree with? You can support all of your interpretation with scripture, and you have attempted such. I disagree with all of it. The answer to your question, whether or not you are supported by scripture, means nothing. What you have done is interpreted. You have read and devised answers that seem plausible, but none of it is right. What Jesus said, when he was here on Earth was to watch. The answers will come as you see them unfold. What you have done is interpret. You have said this is supposed to happen, and I will wait to see it unfold. Instead, you should have watched, then you will know the meaning.
If Jerusalem is Babylon then what does this scripture mean? “And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.” Revelation 11:8 If the body is a temple of the Holy Ghost (which it is if you have the Holy Ghost) then how can the antichrist stand in it and take away animal sacrifices? “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:” Matthew 24:15-16 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.” Luke 21:20-21 “For the ships of Kittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.” Daniel 11:30-31 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.” Daniel 12:11 “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” Daniel 7:25 “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” Revelation 13:5-7 “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:” 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 18:30:09 GMT
I disagree with your interpretation. Mystery Babylon is a city. It is Jerusalem. It goes back to the keys of understanding. Here is an example. Jerusalem is a city on Earth. Jerusalem is also a city, which is in Heaven and comes down from Heaven with God. What has to be known always is which one is God talking about when he is speaking about Jerusalem. The subject changes and goes back and forth between the two. This is the main reason that no one sees that it is Jerusalem on Earth which is mystery Babylon. I've described the answer to Revelation 13 in my post. It is easy to see if you can put away the mistakes of the past. It all fits. Here is another example. The temple can be three things. One, it can be the temple which was built in Jerusalem and was destroyed. Two, it can be the temple which exists now, which is Muslim. Finally. it can be you, yourself. You are the temple of God which resides in you. Which one are we talking about. If you assume God is talking about a temple on Earth when he says the temple will be raised, then you are waiting for the Jews to build the third temple. If you interpret it as I do, you are waiting for God to raise his people to Heaven before the Great Tribulation. Why, because you are that temple. This is an example of the keys which I am describing. You must know what God is describing when you form an opinion of a verses meaning. Past, present or future, you must know the subject which changes frequently. The purpose for this is to confuse the people of Satan. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they are blind. God's people will understand when the time is right... So what part of “my interpretation” is not supported by scripture? Or what do you not agree with?
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 18:28:18 GMT
" And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. " - Matthew 24:14 NIV Just replace "the end" with "Jesus". The newest meaning I got from this verse is perhaps Jesus is talking about himself when he mentions "the end" . No I meant tell me each meaning since you said there are multiple.
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Post by waris on Dec 15, 2019 17:16:20 GMT
What do you think about this? Any comments?
Revelation 12 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Revelation 17 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 7 wonders- 7 kings/kingdoms- 7 crowns 5 greek 1 egypt 1 babylon (8th is of the 7) Colossus of Rhodes- greek- sun god Great Pyramid of Giza- egypt-pyramid -structure/ tomb [ra (hebrew for evil) (egyptian for sun god)] Hanging Gardens of Babylon- babylon -garden snake- false paradise/ peace Lighthouse of Alexandria- greek-lucifer-light bearer- reflects light (like moon) Mausoleum at Halicarnassus-persian/greek-tomb/death Statue of Zeus at Olympia- greek- supposed king of gods Temple of Artemis at Ephesus- greek- goddess of animals/wilderness/hunt/moon 7 heads- 7 mountains -mountains of pagan christianity Religion family education media government business arts/entertainment 10 horns- 10 kings/leaders 10 crowns- 10 kings/attributes/powers/positions of authority? Revelations 13 1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Beast- (leopard, lion, bear, dragon) Germany, Great Britain, Russia, China Daniel 7 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. 4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. 5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. 6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. 7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. 17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. 18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. 19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; 23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. One bear head, one lion, four leopard, one dragon, (7 heads) Revelation 9 14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. China has came out in the past saying it has a two hundred million man army (two hundred thousand thousand) War going on in the middle east around syria which is one of the countries that the euphrates river is located in. Sixth trumpet war (ww3) and then battle of armageddon (which US stands with Israel against rest of the world, this battle doesn’t take place as Christ comes before it starts, so i’ve heard), sometime in between when the antichrist stands in the third temple getting rid of animal sacrifices (abomination of desolation), then 3.5 years of tribulation, mark of the beast on right hand or forehead that allows you to buy and sell, which if you take it you have no salvation. After tribulation Christ should return. Christ says it will be like a time never before seen on earth nor ever again will be. (how bad was medieval times? How bad was holocaust?) Revelation 12 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. Eagle (United States) Eagles wings plucked off (American revolution) Time, times and half a time (3.5 years) Midst of the week (3.5 years; one week being seven years) Daniel 7 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Daniel 12 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
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