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Post by Larry Marquez on Nov 22, 2019 3:33:31 GMT
If we say "did Jesus Christ come in the flesh?" Can the flesh give a no answer? Is our mind and flesh to separate things?
I was trying to test the spirits and I heard an answer and it admitted Jesus Christ didn't come in the flesh by saying 'no' and it also added the phrase my son after saying 'no'.
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Post by James Brady on Dec 2, 2019 8:19:32 GMT
Your flesh is you.
What you heard was a demon.
The verse in 1 John 4:2 does not say "any spirit which is not of God cannot answer a question with "Yes." It says "any spirit which does not confess 'Jesus Christ is come in the flesh' is not of God."
I have heard demons say "yes." That's not the test.
A demon or fallen angel or whatever, not of God, cannot say "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." That's the test.
If you are uncertain who said something in your mind, it was not you.
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Post by waris on Dec 17, 2019 20:36:44 GMT
Your flesh is you. What you heard was a demon. The verse in 1 John 4:2 does not say "any spirit which is not of God cannot answer a question with "Yes." It says "any spirit which does not confess 'Jesus Christ is come in the flesh' is not of God." I have heard demons say "yes." That's not the test. A demon or fallen angel or whatever, not of God, cannot say "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." That's the test. If you are uncertain who said something in your mind, it was not you. Can you give an example or details of the demons saying yes, like what you asked etc?
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Post by Larry Marquez on Dec 17, 2019 21:18:40 GMT
I don't remember the question, but I try the 1st John 4 test.
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Post by waris on Dec 18, 2019 4:56:05 GMT
I don't remember the question, but I try the 1st John 4 test. No I was talking to James to get more specific details of what was said. Like what the voice specifically said or the conversation of what James said before and after he asked or the voice spoke. Like the context.
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Post by James Brady on Dec 18, 2019 7:04:02 GMT
I don't remember the question, but I try the 1st John 4 test. No I was talking to James to get more specific details of what was said. Like what the voice specifically said or the conversation of what James said before and after he asked or the voice spoke. Like the context. Yeah, sure. The question I asked was "Do you confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh?" I heard demons answer "Yesss" or "<angrily> Yes!" In the same voice as I had previously heard python or a critical spirit or jezebel or whatever answer. Bear in mind, this is a testimony about the past, years ago. But the test says, any spirit, not of God, cannot confess "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." I have never heard an evil spirit say that, because God prevents them.
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Post by waris on Dec 18, 2019 7:07:42 GMT
No I was talking to James to get more specific details of what was said. Like what the voice specifically said or the conversation of what James said before and after he asked or the voice spoke. Like the context. Yeah, sure. The question I asked was "Do you confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh?" I heard demons answer "Yesss" or "<angrily> Yes!" In the same voice as I had previously heard python or a critical spirit or jezebel or whatever answer. Bear in mind, this is a testimony about the past, years ago. But the test says, any spirit, not of God, cannot confess "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." I have never heard an evil spirit say that, because God prevents them. I was also wondering what they told you that made you ask in the first place. Edit: Also I think you asked the wrong question. “Acknowledge” is slightly different from “confess”, so if you asked if they confess they can lie and say yes I suppose since confessing actually involves speaking Jesus Christ came in the flesh as opposed to acknowledging. They can’t acknowledge it and they can’t confess it. So try to replace confess with acknowledge and if still unsure then tell them to confess it. “Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.” 1 John 2:23
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Post by James Brady on Dec 18, 2019 20:40:45 GMT
The word there in the greek is 3670 homologéō (from 3674 /homoú, "together" and 3004 /légō, "speak to a conclusion") – properly, to voice the same conclusion, i.e. agree ("confess"); to profess (confess) because in full agreement; to align with (endorse). From Strong's. The procedure I use now is when I hear something that could have been the Lord, I respond "Confess." If I hear a clear response "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." then I accept that as the Lord. If I hear anything else, including silence, I don't.
As for what they said that made me ask... that story is from ~4 years ago now. I have tested the spirits probably a thousand or more times since then. I hear demons speaking every single day, in clear words. But so does everyone else on the planet. The problem is that they aren't aware those words aren't their own thoughts. Which is why Paul says "take captive every thought to the obedience of Christ."
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Post by waris on Dec 18, 2019 20:48:02 GMT
The word there in the greek is 3670 homologéō (from 3674 /homoú, "together" and 3004 /légō, "speak to a conclusion") – properly, to voice the same conclusion, i.e. agree ("confess"); to profess (confess) because in full agreement; to align with (endorse). From Strong's. The procedure I use now is when I hear something that could have been the Lord, I respond "Confess." If I hear a clear response "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." then I accept that as the Lord. If I hear anything else, including silence, I don't. You can acknowledge without speaking verbally. If you asked a mute person to confess then are they able to? If you asked them if they acknowledge then they can answer without verbal usage. Confess involves verbally saying, while acknowledge doesn’t. Both are similar meaning. You can’t confess without acknowledging, but you can acknowledge without confessing verbally. There is a difference.
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Post by James Brady on Dec 18, 2019 21:35:09 GMT
"You can’t confess without acknowledging, but you can acknowledge without confessing verbally. There is a difference."
Agreed.
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Post by Larry Marquez on Dec 18, 2019 22:21:53 GMT
How does the 1 John 4:2 test apply with different translations? Some say acknowledge, some say confess? In the greek "homologeó" means this: biblehub.com/greek/3670.htmDefinition: to speak the same, to agree Usage: (a) I promise, agree, (b) I confess, (c) I publicly declare, (d) a Hebraism, I praise, celebrate. Different translations: biblehub.com/1_john/4-2.htm
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Post by waris on Dec 18, 2019 22:28:43 GMT
How does the 1 John 4:2 test apply with different translations? Some say acknowledge, some say confess? In the greek "homologeó" means this: biblehub.com/greek/3670.htmDefinition: to speak the same, to agree Usage: (a) I promise, agree, (b) I confess, (c) I publicly declare, (d) a Hebraism, I praise, celebrate. Different translations: biblehub.com/1_john/4-2.htmConfession is a form of acknowledgement. That’s why it’s similar definition. You can acknowledge without confessing.
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