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Post by Natalie on Nov 22, 2018 12:29:10 GMT
I was filled with the Holy Spirit, tasted the heavenly gifts, and was led by and heard from a God, and am so sure that I fulfilled all of the requirements of Hebrews 6:4-6. I rebelled against things God was leading me to do, and doubted that He was actually saving me or that I would be saved. The Holy Spirit seems to leave all of a sudden. I felt a sharp separation and extreme loneliness and emptiness all of a sudden and since then. I can’t hear Him anymore, don’t feel conviction, and literally felt like a branch cut off and dying for a period of about a year. I am so fearful now. I miss Him terribly and cry often. My kids try to pray for me. I don’t have peace or joy now. It was like a physical battle trying to have faith and is still that now. I wake up screaming Jesus name sometimes. I feel like there’s no hope or almost no hope. When I read the Hebrews passage and others like it it’s like reading the very description of me. I can’t take this. I keep begging Him to come back and keep trying to fight against any known sin in my life that tries to pop up. Please pray for me and have as many churches, Christian organizations, small groups, individuals pray for me as possible!!! I am absolutely desperate and need Him back!!! I know He’s coming back soon. I don’t care how many people know my name I just need prayer. Please help me!!! Nsw32@yahoo.com
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Post by Jeff G on Nov 22, 2018 16:04:22 GMT
Hi Natalie. First of all, know that I'm praying for you, and I'm sure others will as well. And we love you and are here for you.
In your message you said you're sure you fulfilled all the requirements of Hebrews 6:4-6, mentioning being filled with the Holy Spirit, tasting the heavenly gifts, and hearing and being led by God. One thing you didn't talk about was tasting the powers of the age to come. Now, I don't think there's any obvious place in Scripture where these powers are clearly described - but when I think of the powers of the age to come, the first thing that comes to mind is raising the dead. Have you ever done that? If the Lord has never raised the dead through you... then maybe you haven't tasted the powers of the age to come. What about being translated - where the Spirit picks you up and takes you someplace else - have you ever done that? What about multiplying food like Jesus did - you ever done that?
My point here is to help you to consider the idea that maybe you really haven't fulfilled all the conditions in Hebrews 6:4-5. Again, I'm not sure exactly what the powers of the age to come are, but I'm pretty confident it's the really BIG stuff.
So I don't believe you've reached a state where it is impossible to restore you unto repentance. The evidence of your life quite clearly shows otherwise - you still WANT to be with Jesus. That's a big deal. That indicates that God is still at work in you and is drawing you unto Himself. And you're trying to fight against any known sin. That's another very good thing.
I recommend reading the Parable of the Lost Sheep and the Parable of the Prodigal Son (both in Luke 15). These are good descriptions of what Jesus is like.
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Post by david on Nov 22, 2018 16:58:44 GMT
I had scripture come to my mind while reading your comments especially the part of "I will not let thee go, except thou bless me" i believe its time to wrestle with God until all things are sorted out. If it means anything to you thats good, if not; then you read some scripture and no harm has been done. I know how you feel, i am going through a similar experience.
Gen32: 24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. 25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. 26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. 27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. 28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. 29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
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Post by Matthew on Nov 22, 2018 17:38:15 GMT
I agree with Jeff, it doesn't seem like you've grieved the Holy Spirit or fulfilled the Hebrews 6:4-6 contract. If you would have, then you wouldn't care about serving God and hearing His voice, but it definitely seems like you want that relationship with Him.
He's a good Father, and He won't give us a scorpion if we ask for an egg. I'm currently going through a similar situation in that I was hearing Him really well and then one day last week it just stopped. I'll be praying for you, stay strong in Him!
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Post by waris on Nov 22, 2018 19:21:25 GMT
I was filled with the Holy Spirit, tasted the heavenly gifts, and was led by and heard from a God, and am so sure that I fulfilled all of the requirements of Hebrews 6:4-6. I rebelled against things God was leading me to do, and doubted that He was actually saving me or that I would be saved. The Holy Spirit seems to leave all of a sudden. I felt a sharp separation and extreme loneliness and emptiness all of a sudden and since then. I can’t hear Him anymore, don’t feel conviction, and literally felt like a branch cut off and dying for a period of about a year. I am so fearful now. I miss Him terribly and cry often. My kids try to pray for me. I don’t have peace or joy now. It was like a physical battle trying to have faith and is still that now. I wake up screaming Jesus name sometimes. I feel like there’s no hope or almost no hope. When I read the Hebrews passage and others like it it’s like reading the very description of me. I can’t take this. I keep begging Him to come back and keep trying to fight against any known sin in my life that tries to pop up. Please pray for me and have as many churches, Christian organizations, small groups, individuals pray for me as possible!!! I am absolutely desperate and need Him back!!! I know He’s coming back soon. I don’t care how many people know my name I just need prayer. Please help me!!! Nsw32@yahoo.com Hey, it seems like if God was telling you to do something and you didn't do it, then that's probably where you need to repent. As in go back and do what He told you to do. Im sure you're not a hebrews 6 person. the devil likes to use that lie that it's impossible for you to repent to keep you in fear. (But if you were a hebrews 6 and then fell away then it would be impossible to repent). The fact that you still believe in God means you haven't fallen away to where it's impossible to repent (i think; unless you want more discussion about this subject) Matthew 21 28 But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. 29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. 30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. 31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
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Post by maria on Nov 23, 2018 17:40:50 GMT
Natalie you can see my posts at the Nuclear prayer I am very desperate I feel like I lost my salvation....so I did another Nuclear prayer,Jesus watever it takes I want to be ok and in christ. God’s People like me and it would make them sad if I was a Hebrews 6 person or fallen away cut off stuff. God’s People want us to be ok and have fellowship.
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Post by maria on Nov 23, 2018 19:20:09 GMT
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Post by waris on Nov 23, 2018 21:45:31 GMT
Natalie you can see my posts at the Nuclear prayer I am very desperate I feel like I lost my salvation....so I did another Nuclear prayer,Jesus watever it takes I want to be ok and in christ. God’s People like me and it would make them sad if I was a Hebrews 6 person or fallen away cut off stuff. God’s People want us to be ok and have fellowship. Do you still think you lost salvation? If so why do you feel that way?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 11:06:02 GMT
I too every now and then ask if I'm even HIS. SOmetimes it feels HE is so close and leading me, and other times I feel like I'm no different. Like HE doesnt even feel real. All the dialogues I had before, I even have questioned those in moments of intense doubt. It is discouraging. BUt I cant give up. I know it is HIS good pleasure to save. Sometimes I wonder if 'saved' is a point in time or a continual process that ends when we've endured and sought Him our whole lives. I'm not sure. I just know that I cant give up and walk away. Like the disciples "Where else would we go?? You alone have the words of Life".
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Post by James Brady on Dec 8, 2018 9:54:02 GMT
Praying for you.
I know you're not lost. The one who comes to Jesus, He will by no means cast out.
I am praying that what God says is true in the scriptures would become more real to you and more certain than your feelings or the whispers of demons trying to steal your peace and ability to serve God.
God bless you. Jesus loves you more than you know.
John 6:37-40:
All who the Father gives to Me shall come to Me, and the one coming to Me I will not cast out, not ever,
38 for I have come down out of Heaven, not that I should do My will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
39 And this is the will of the Father sending Me, that of all that He has given Me, I shall not lose any of it, but shall raise it up in the last day.
40 And this is the will of the One having sent Me, that everyone seeing the Son and believing into Him should have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
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Post by iloveyou on Dec 18, 2018 3:31:48 GMT
Hey, I feel really sorry for you, but I do indeed think that you have Ephesians 4:30 and 1:13 to bank on, as well as john 6:37-39. If you'd like give me a text at 919-230-1368, then ill call you and we can pray to the father.
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Post by Kat on Mar 27, 2019 3:18:11 GMT
I feel the same. I had experienced complete physical healing after a season of rebellion and did not fully repent of the sin He had warned me about. I had more health problems in the years after and again was healed but still did not realize how blind I was to my sin and how much it was angering God. Finally after a series of warnings about doing something that He had prompted me to do,I awakened and realized His presence was gone and I haven't felt it again. I honestly feel like Saul or how David described and I feel hopeless. I just lost my Dad as well and I feel even more abandoned and I just wonder what I did to anger The Lord to the extent that I have that He would take such drastic measures with me. He had never fully left me before, though I had felt Him withdraw for a few months while He was chastening me for my period of rebellion but He returned and healed me and drew me back to Him. Before it happened I was seeking Him and trying desperately to come back after I realized what I had done.I was ready to turn from my sin and back to Him but it was like He just shut the door in my face with me knocking. I was truly confused by this because I hadn't expected that and I have since tried to understand why it happened when before,He welcomed me back as the lost sheep or Prodigal and restored me back to life and health. I felt He had directed me to Job 33 when I questioned Him about what had happened during that time. The day before this latest event occurred,I felt a sudden sense of emptiness and sorrow and I wept like I never have. The next morning I realized He was gone. Has anyone ever heard of anything similar to this? It feels similar as it did before but then I could still sense His presence and it was more as if He was hiding His face from me but this felt and feels like a total absence. It's just awful and no one seems to be able to relate or understand what I am going through. I was talking with my Dad about it and he tried to listen and understand to the best of his ability but now that he is gone I have no one.
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Post by Barbie on Mar 27, 2019 8:51:18 GMT
For those wondering about how to know it's God's Voice, The Sheep Know His Voice, and it doesn't make you WORRY...about anything. He commands us to "Rejoice Always!" because He knows He can help us to do it, as we let Him blow through us. Then we have "the joyful spirit of a sound mind" and get good ideas about what to do next.
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Post by Barbie on Mar 27, 2019 9:22:12 GMT
Kat, I understand exactly what you feel because I have experienced it. I don't know your age, but mine is 68. When I was17 our family moved to NZ, and on the way over a dreadful storm hit our ship, which barely survived! It was the same storm that sank 'The Wahine' in 1968, if you want to look it up. I enrolled in nursing school that year, and was ace-ing all the exams, so I got puffed up and decided to quit. I pretended I would be a doctor instead of a nurse, and even fooled myself because my grades were so good, but deep inside I was a rebel and just hated the strict discipline. So I slacked off and started looking for worldly pleasure. Now just to fill you in, I had met King Jesus when I was four years old. I knew He was in charge of everything. I saw him save our ship, as the crew prayed out loud in terror. I had always talked to God at the end of the day, thanking Him for all He made and did for me. But in 1969 when I made that Big Bad Choice to quit, I was really lying to myself and Him about seeking an easy life instead of serving others with a nursing career. I guess it must have really disgusted Him to see Satan hijack me, but He never stopped loving me of course. As part of my "learning curve", He "walked out", so that I lost all desire to be good. I didn't get Him back until I had become an unwed mother with a big drinking problem and no friends that I could trust. The lady next door invited me to Church, a baptismal service. I sat at the back and prayed, "God, if you're real, show me!" Instantly I was in the situation I would have been in, had He not rescued our ship. I was treading water in a vision and the sensation was real...that I would be doing that Eternally! Then a life preserver was thrown to me and in my vision I grabbed! Instantly I was back in Church, on my feet, and going up to the front to give my life back to Jesus. My sin wasn't just being tempted by pleasure, but also being attached to a spirit of doubt and skepticism, that made me demand that He show me Himself. My advice is to confess and be baptised as I was that day! It only seems embarrassing for a second, then one is FREE!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 10:42:15 GMT
What an amazing testimony Barbie!! Yes, when we are without Him, we are for sure treading in our own strength and only HE can rescue. But it is amazing though the faithful love of the LORD which seems to 'let us go' but HE is always there watching and waiting to draw us back to Himself. Hallelujah!
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