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Post by Gorbia Chan on Jun 2, 2020 23:24:47 GMT
1 John 3:6
Whoever abides in him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen him or known him.
If to sin means to miss the mark, Many people who have recieved the holyspirit at times still fall short and sin especially more in the beginning of their walks. In my experience also but through it all I feel as though I am growing in knowing who Jesus is and who the Father is.
How does this scripture apply? Does that literally mean that anyone who misses the mark does not know Jesus or the Father at all? Even slightly missing the mark, thats still sin so how do we stand strong that we know him when we still struggle with certain things being purged out of us that could still be considered sin?
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Post by Jeff G on Jun 6, 2020 16:02:28 GMT
First, I think we should recognize that earlier in John's letter he acknowledged that sometimes a believer might sin.
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. - 1 John 2:1
That should provide some perspective on things we read elsewhere in his letter. OK, now turning specifically to 1 John 3:6, I want to quote it in a different translation -
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. - 1 John 3:6 ESV
Notice how it says "keeps on sinning" - it presents the sinning as an ongoing action. Many other translations, but not all, render this verse in a similar way - with a continual or ongoing action. The basis for this is that the Greek verb for "sin" used in this verse - hamartanei / ἁμαρτάνει - is in the present tense. The present tense in Greek often refers to an action that is ongoing or repeated. I think John is describing a person who is continuing in sin, in an ongoing way. That is, a lifestyle of sin.
In fact, if we back up to 3:4, we find a description of sin using perhaps even stronger terminology -
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. - 1 John 3:4 ESV
Here it says "makes a practice of sinning." To me, that is pretty strong language, and it certainly sounds like an ongoing lifestyle of sin - and perhaps a deliberate nuance is intended. Since this verse comes soon before the verse in question (3:6), it's quite possible that John still had this particular type of sin in mind - "making a practice of sinning."
This concept of repeated, ongoing sin is not what we see described in 2:1 (quoted above) (the Greek verbs for sin in 2:1 are not in the present tense; they are aorist).
So the bottom line is that individual, isolated acts of sin are very different from an ongoing lifestyle of sin. God is willing to forgive sin. But a lifestyle of sin indicates a person who isn't even abiding in Christ - and that's a very serious matter.
I hope this is helpful. I'm going to finish with one final quotation:
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. - 1 John 1:9
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Post by dominiquerhines on Jun 8, 2020 19:25:38 GMT
1 John 3:6 Whoever abides in him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen him or known him. If to sin means to miss the mark, Many people who have recieved the holyspirit at times still fall short and sin especially more in the beginning of their walks. In my experience also but through it all I feel as though I am growing in knowing who Jesus is and who the Father is. How does this scripture apply? Does that literally mean that anyone who misses the mark does not know Jesus or the Father at all? Even slightly missing the mark, thats still sin so how do we stand strong that we know him when we still struggle with certain things being purged out of us that could still be considered sin? Amen to brother Jeff's words, I strongly agree with him. There is a difference between willful, deliberate sin and unwillfil, unintentional sin. Nevertheless, if we will truly repent, our minds and hearts will be RE-newed. The evil things we once loved we will now hate. The God which we once cursed, if not by our mouth then by our life or actions, we will now lovingly bless.
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Post by Gorbia Chan on Jun 8, 2020 22:28:56 GMT
Amen, I gotta renew my mind, I have a tendency to fall into self condemnation and sometimes feel as though i need to suffer for it for a while before im allowed to repent, which is obviously a lie from the enemy. Thank you so much for reminding me of those verses, Praise God and Godbless you First, I think we should recognize that earlier in John's letter he acknowledged that sometimes a believer might sin. My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. - 1 John 2:1That should provide some perspective on things we read elsewhere in his letter. OK, now turning specifically to 1 John 3:6, I want to quote it in a different translation - No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. - 1 John 3:6 ESVNotice how it says "keeps on sinning" - it presents the sinning as an ongoing action. Many other translations, but not all, render this verse in a similar way - with a continual or ongoing action. The basis for this is that the Greek verb for "sin" used in this verse - hamartanei / ἁμαρτάνει - is in the present tense. The present tense in Greek often refers to an action that is ongoing or repeated. I think John is describing a person who is continuing in sin, in an ongoing way. That is, a lifestyle of sin.In fact, if we back up to 3:4, we find a description of sin using perhaps even stronger terminology - Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. - 1 John 3:4 ESV
Here it says "makes a practice of sinning." To me, that is pretty strong language, and it certainly sounds like an ongoing lifestyle of sin - and perhaps a deliberate nuance is intended. Since this verse comes soon before the verse in question (3:6), it's quite possible that John still had this particular type of sin in mind - "making a practice of sinning." This concept of repeated, ongoing sin is not what we see described in 2:1 (quoted above) (the Greek verbs for sin in 2:1 are not in the present tense; they are aorist). So the bottom line is that individual, isolated acts of sin are very different from an ongoing lifestyle of sin. God is willing to forgive sin. But a lifestyle of sin indicates a person who isn't even abiding in Christ - and that's a very serious matter. I hope this is helpful. I'm going to finish with one final quotation: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. - 1 John 1:9
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Post by JustVisiting1 on Jul 26, 2020 4:54:28 GMT
Do we really hate and despise our sin? If we're holding on to sin, then sin is our Lord. When we cling to a pattern or stronghold of a sin in our life whether it be lust or greed or rage or addiction (of any kind! yes even gluttony), if anything is taking the place of lord in our lives that is not the LORD God, then that sin is dangerous, very dangerous. It spits on the sacrifice of Jesus. Oh if we could only know how sin pierces Him!! I'm serious, if we really grasped just how ugly and dark and hideous and hurtful sin is to the heart of God (and those He has made including ourselves), then we'd throw out our cigs and porn and swearing and rage and every bit of 'self'!
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Post by dominiquerhines on Jul 29, 2020 1:40:28 GMT
Do we really hate and despise our sin? If we're holding on to sin, then sin is our Lord. When we cling to a pattern or stronghold of a sin in our life whether it be lust or greed or rage or addiction (of any kind! yes even gluttony), if anything is taking the place of lord in our lives that is not the LORD God, then that sin is dangerous, very dangerous. It spits on the sacrifice of Jesus. Oh if we could only know how sin pierces Him!! I'm serious, if we really grasped just how ugly and dark and hideous and hurtful sin is to the heart of God (and those He has made including ourselves), then we'd throw out our cigs and porn and swearing and rage and every bit of 'self'! Amen, amen.
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