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Post by JessyB on Dec 2, 2019 17:17:09 GMT
We have a gay clergy (female). Personally, I don't mind but I'm a sinner. What's God's take? My gut tells me He does not approve. (He doesn't like categories mixing, as seen from Leviticus, Numbers, Deut.) Also, apostle Paul condemns it.
It's a tiny community church (that belongs to a national organization). We don't get any Spiritual food there. But we love the people, and we feel called to be there, to pray for them, to influence them. But the Liberal influence is so strong...
There's another church that's much more Spirit filled.
What would God tell us to do? I pray and sometimes HE answers. I haven't prayed enough about this issue. I've come here to consult.
What do you think?
Thank you.
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Post by Larry Marquez on Dec 2, 2019 18:36:37 GMT
We have a gay clergy (female). Personally, I don't mind but I'm a sinner. What's God's take? My gut tells me He does not approve. (He doesn't like categories mixing, as seen from Leviticus, Numbers, Deut.) Also, apostle Paul condemns it.
It's a tiny community church (that belongs to a national organization). We don't get any Spiritual food there. But we love the people, and we feel called to be there, to pray for them, to influence them. But the Liberal influence is so strong...
There's another church that's much more Spirit filled.
What would God tell us to do? I pray and sometimes HE answers. I haven't prayed enough about this issue. I've come here to consult.
What do you think?
Thank you.
I say God doesn't approve. We can't serve God and be in wilful sin. I don't know if that clergy is in a gay relationship. But if they are, they need to break it up. There's a difference between being tempted to be in a gay relationship and being in one.
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Post by JessyB on Dec 2, 2019 19:04:35 GMT
Thank you Larry, the woman is legally married to her lesbian partner (we live in the UK). I just found this out today. The congregation was assigned this person to be a preacher, and well, it's a Methodist church (we don't believe in denominations)and I think they are in the process as a national entity to decide if it's okay to marry gay couples in methodist churches. It's mad. But if we left this community, there's no one else who would stand up for truth as taught in the bible, and I sense a hunger from some people for real Spiritual food.
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Post by JessyB on Dec 2, 2019 21:35:47 GMT
I think we'll give it more effort to influence this community by getting people to engage in the bible. Thank you for your input, I needed to write this out and have feedback. God bless.
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Post by James Brady on Dec 18, 2019 7:15:40 GMT
The fact that it's gotten so far as this is hard to take in.
I was an atheist until I was 28. I was pro "gay rights." I always championed the underdog and hated what I saw as injustice.
Homosexuality is caused by submitting to a demonic spirit. It's not a way people are born. It's a demonic spirit. One that has been seen. That can be cast out.
Asking if God approves is like asking if God approves of a thief being in charge of the money bag. Yes, if that thief is supposed to be there, like Judas. No, if you mean does He approve of them as justified.
No. They follow the man of lawlessness. A God who doesn't mean what He says or say what He means.
But Yahweh has said, He will not take back His words.
May God bless you and them and your family, with deliverance from every evil. Maranatha.
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Post by waris on Dec 18, 2019 7:20:40 GMT
The fact that it's gotten so far as this is hard to take in. I was an atheist until I was 28. I was pro "gay rights." I always championed the underdog and hated what I saw as injustice. Homosexuality is caused by submitting to a demonic spirit. It's not a way people are born. It's a demonic spirit. One that has been seen. That can be cast out. Asking if God approves is like asking if God approves of a thief being in charge of the money bag. Yes, if that thief is supposed to be there, like Judas. No, if you mean does He approve of them as justified. No. They follow the man of lawlessness. A God who doesn't mean what He says or say what He means. But Yahweh has said, He will not take back His words. May God bless you and them and your family, with deliverance from every evil. Maranatha. “If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.” 1 Corinthians 16:22 MARANA'THA, n. The Lord comes or has come; a word used by the apostle Paul in expressing a curse. This word was used in anathematizing persons for great crimes; as much as to say, "may the Lord come quickly to take vengeance on thee for thy crimes."
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Post by James Brady on Dec 18, 2019 19:18:57 GMT
The fact that it's gotten so far as this is hard to take in. I was an atheist until I was 28. I was pro "gay rights." I always championed the underdog and hated what I saw as injustice. Homosexuality is caused by submitting to a demonic spirit. It's not a way people are born. It's a demonic spirit. One that has been seen. That can be cast out. Asking if God approves is like asking if God approves of a thief being in charge of the money bag. Yes, if that thief is supposed to be there, like Judas. No, if you mean does He approve of them as justified. No. They follow the man of lawlessness. A God who doesn't mean what He says or say what He means. But Yahweh has said, He will not take back His words. May God bless you and them and your family, with deliverance from every evil. Maranatha. “If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.” 1 Corinthians 16:22 MARANA'THA, n. The Lord comes or has come; a word used by the apostle Paul in expressing a curse. This word was used in anathematizing persons for great crimes; as much as to say, "may the Lord come quickly to take vengeance on thee for thy crimes." Dear brother, I don't know why you think that. Anathema means a thing devoted to destruction or accursed, yes. Maranatha means come, Lord, or as you say, the Lord is coming. It's related to the Aramaic word for Lord/Master, which is Mar. 17The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” That was my intention. Certainly not to curse anyone.
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Post by waris on Dec 18, 2019 20:12:26 GMT
“If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.” 1 Corinthians 16:22 MARANA'THA, n. The Lord comes or has come; a word used by the apostle Paul in expressing a curse. This word was used in anathematizing persons for great crimes; as much as to say, "may the Lord come quickly to take vengeance on thee for thy crimes." Dear brother, I don't know why you think that. Anathema means a thing devoted to destruction or accursed, yes. Maranatha means come, Lord, or as you say, the Lord is coming. It's related to the Aramaic word for Lord/Master, which is Mar. 17The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” That was my intention. Certainly not to curse anyone. Why I would think what? The word is used in context that’s not like the one you intend.
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Post by James Brady on Dec 18, 2019 20:31:18 GMT
Well, the aramaic means "Come, Lord". And that's how it's translated in 1 Cor 16:22. And that's what it means. And that's what I meant. If that's not enough for you, I don't know what else to tell you. God bless, brother.
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Post by waris on Dec 18, 2019 20:35:10 GMT
Well, the aramaic means "Come, Lord". And that's how it's translated in 1 Cor 16:22. And that's what it means. And that's what I meant. If that's not enough for you, I don't know what else to tell you. God bless, brother. Its used in context for the Lord coming to judge. That’s what it means by “come Lord” (come to judge and take vengeance for their sins). What did you mean by wanting the Lord to come to them?
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Post by James Brady on Dec 18, 2019 20:53:38 GMT
"May God bless you and them and your family, with deliverance from every evil. Maranatha." is what I said. I feel like this conversation has gone to exorbitant lengths now, but I will answer you, again.
I meant, Lord Jesus, please come, to them, to me, to this broken and ugly and devil-ruled world, and fix it, please. With some desperation. Even though there wasn't any hint of intended judgment on them, and I do not agree with you, that that's what that means, even if the Lord had to come and judge me first, I would surely still pray for Him to come.
It is written, "it is appointed once for men to die, and then comes the judgment." and also “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." and "We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death."
And "Greater love has no man than this: But that he lay down his soul (psuche in Greek, not Zoe, which is life) for a friend."
Would you do that for me, bro? Because I would for you.
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Post by waris on Dec 18, 2019 20:58:36 GMT
"May God bless you and them and your family, with deliverance from every evil. Maranatha." is what I said. I feel like this conversation has gone to exorbitant lengths now, but I will answer you, again. I meant, Lord Jesus, please come, to them, to me, to this broken and ugly and devil-ruled world, and fix it, please. With some desperation. Even though there wasn't any hint of intended judgment on them, and I do not agree with you, that that's what that means, even if the Lord had to come and judge me first, I would surely still pray for Him to come. It is written, "it is appointed once for men to die, and then comes the judgment." and also “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." and "We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death." And "Greater love has no man than this: But that he lay down his soul (psuche in Greek, not Zoe, which is life) for a friend." Would you do that for me, bro? Because I would for you. How would die for me when you won’t answer my questions and would ban me for a month for no reason? The definition I told you already, if you don’t agree it’s because you don’t know how to use the word. (I.e you are using that word wrong)
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Post by James Brady on Dec 18, 2019 21:09:55 GMT
"you won’t answer my questions"
waris, question: "What did you mean by wanting the Lord to come to them?"
James, answer: "I feel like this conversation has gone to exorbitant lengths now, but I will answer you, again.
I meant, Lord Jesus, please come, to them, to me, to this broken and ugly and devil-ruled world, and fix it, please. With some desperation."
I banned you for a month, because you had violated this forum's one rule, be nice, four times. First an hour, then a day, then a week, then a month. Every banning was with warning, for explicitly stated reasons, which you read. We're not going to discuss this further in a thread about gay clergy, and derail another topic, for your bone to pick. Private message me if you have more to say about it. Don't post here. If you do post here, be aware I will delete it. I am leaving this up, lest you complain that I am trying to hide something. I'm not. But I will stop the thread from being completely derailed by your being upset. I don't want you to be upset. I want you to be able to post on the forum. Please continue doing so in a polite and kind, and brotherly manner.
Concerning maranatha, accept that I don't agree about the definition, because I accept that you don't agree.
waris, question: "How would die for me"
James, answer: "I would even go to hell for you, if that were necessary, because I do not want you or anyone to go to eternal torment. Whether you believe me or not, I do love you.
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Post by waris on Dec 18, 2019 21:17:14 GMT
"you won’t answer my questions" waris, question: "What did you mean by wanting the Lord to come to them?" James, answer: "I feel like this conversation has gone to exorbitant lengths now, but I will answer you, again. I meant, Lord Jesus, please come, to them, to me, to this broken and ugly and devil-ruled world, and fix it, please. With some desperation." I banned you for a month, because you had violated this forum's one rule, be nice, four times. First an hour, then a day, then a week, then a month. Every banning was with warning, for explicitly stated reasons, which you read. We're not going to discuss this further in a thread about gay clergy, and derail another topic, for your bone to pick. Private message me if you have more to say about it. Don't post here. If you do post here, be aware I will delete it. I am leaving this up, lest you complain that I am trying to hide something. I'm not. But I will stop the thread from being completely derailed by your being upset. I don't want you to be upset. I want you to be able to post on the forum. Please continue doing so in a polite and kind, and brotherly manner. Concerning maranatha, accept that I don't agree about the definition, because I accept that you don't agree. waris, question: "How would die for me" James, answer: "I would even go to hell for you, if that were necessary, because I do not want you or anyone to go to eternal torment. Whether you believe me or not, I do love you. If you want the Lord to come to them then say Come Lord Jesus like in book of revelation. To say Maranatha is to say come Lord to judge them for their crimes. If you don’t agree then you are wrong, why don’t you agree with the definition? -edit- moderator edit by James Can you give proof or examples of how I violated the be nice rule 4 times? This is an analogy how you answer my questions. What does 2 plus 2 equal? Your answer: “yes”. Or “I think it’s 25 but if you don’t agree then there is nothing to talk about”. Or “I already told you” (when you clearly didn’t). That’s how you would answer.
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