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Post by zirui on Oct 22, 2018 16:01:55 GMT
Is King James Bible really that much superior to other bible versions. There is a lot of hype around this version. The claims that other versions have scriptures removed and the KJV only movement. Which Bible is the most accurate anyway?
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Post by Larry Marquez on Oct 22, 2018 16:23:12 GMT
Is King James Bible really that much superior to other bible versions. There is a lot of hype around this version. The claims that other versions have scriptures removed and the KJV only movement. Which Bible is the most accurate anyway? The kjv has a lot of verses that aren't in other translations. Besides being in the foot notes. One of the biggest examples is Isaiah 58 kjv vs other translations. Sometimes though the kjv is different. Bigget example I know of is Pslam 131:2 ESV vs kjv Edit: If a person doesn't have the Holy Spirit they can't understand the bible really. " The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. " - 1 Corinthians 2:14 NIV
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Post by waris on Oct 22, 2018 16:32:33 GMT
The Bible that would be most accurate is the one written closer to when the original manuscripts were present. Which would be the kjv. The modern English translations have different definitions for words than those used in the time period of the kjv. The translators from the kjv time period have better understanding of the original language than the people of modern English. The kjv is not hard to read at all. It’s not about being superior it’s about being accurate to God’s word. The verbage and vernacular in the kjv give a better understanding of the message that’s trying to get across than the verbage of modern translations. Some definitions in the strongs concordance are not as accurate to the actual definitions used back then either.
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Post by Larry Marquez on Oct 22, 2018 18:22:06 GMT
Doug made a series of videos that talk about the kjv and the broken church system of today. Description from YouTube. " This is HARD!! Many will not be able to hear this at all! Is it really possible that the Authorized King James Version of the Bible was INTENTIONALLY DOCTORED to reinforce and support a "priest class" and institutional, political heirarchies. The Protestant Reformation didn't go far enough. It didn't really eliminate the temple worship and priest class, it just put a nicer face on it. This explains why things are this bad. It explains why most of this thing we call "Christianity" is in fact, not at ALL what Jesus had in mind. This explains why so many are being abused in a "system" that was NEVER what God designed in the first place. " m.youtube.com/watch?v=lkO-0W0ij3EEdit: Again I think it comes down to have the Holy Spirit to help a person understand the bible with their heart.
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Post by waris on Oct 22, 2018 20:21:56 GMT
Well, God does give warning in book of revelation about adding or taking away from the prophecies in book of revelation specifically. Jesus does say in the gospels that heaven and earth shall pass away but my words will never pass away. Is God going to allow man to change his words and deny future generations from receiving the gospel? Granted that modern English translations have taken and added to the Bible. However is there historical evidence that the King James Bible was altered? The original kjv 1611 is just the same except some words may be spelled differently.
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Post by j94 on Oct 22, 2018 22:18:00 GMT
The kjv was made in 1611 and theres a bible before that made in 1560 called the Geneva bible.
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Post by waris on Oct 23, 2018 0:29:36 GMT
Well from what I gathered on the background of the Bible. The Geneva Bible was made earlier but so were other bibles or English translations. I think the council of Nicea came together to make a bible that could be trusted which I think the kjv came from. King James supposedly said the Geneva Bible was the worst out of all English bibles/ translations. Obviously the Holy Spirit was involved when choosing which books to be placed in the kjv version. Apparently the Geneva Bible production was stopped completely and later versions were made after the kjv. So since we don’t have any earlier versions than the kjv then the kjv is the earliest we can find that’s in English? Also it says that notes were added in the Geneva Bible to the book of revelation, and if you read revelation it says not to add or take away from the book of revelation.
Edit: Also king James was a king and therefore rich, how do we know he didn’t hire actual people who studied the original languages of the original manuscripts?
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Post by j94 on Oct 23, 2018 3:54:16 GMT
Right now I'm reading a kjv bible, by the Gideons. I think it was published in 1983 and if I remember correctly it came from a prison. Because my brother brought it from prison when he got as, sadly he's back in jail already he was only out for like a month or two. I'm praying he will change his ways.
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Post by waris on Oct 23, 2018 4:27:23 GMT
Right now I'm reading a kjv bible, by the Gideons. I think it was published in 1983 and if I remember correctly it came from a prison. Because my brother brought it from prison when he got as, sadly he's back in jail already he was only out for like a month or two. I'm praying he will change his ways. Well typically it’s hard for people who have been to prison and got out, to make a living or get a job. They usually won’t hire people who have been in prison so some end up on the streets or end up back in prison.
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Post by j94 on Oct 23, 2018 13:26:00 GMT
Right now I'm reading a kjv bible, by the Gideons. I think it was published in 1983 and if I remember correctly it came from a prison. Because my brother brought it from prison when he got as, sadly he's back in jail already he was only out for like a month or two. I'm praying he will change his ways. Well typically it’s hard for people who have been to prison and got out, to make a living or get a job. They usually won’t hire people who have been in prison so some end up on the streets or end up back in prison. Yeah, I know it has to be hard for him. He just got tangled up in the stuff he used to do. He has a almost 3yr old child and he was in prison when she was born, I just think its sad hes only been in her life a few short month's, and this is his 3rd strike his p.o. sent him back.
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Post by waris on Oct 23, 2018 13:29:05 GMT
Well typically it’s hard for people who have been to prison and got out, to make a living or get a job. They usually won’t hire people who have been in prison so some end up on the streets or end up back in prison. Yeah, I know it has to be hard for him. He just got tangled up in the stuff he used to do. He has a almost 3yr old child and he was in prison when she was born, I just think its sad hes only been in her life a few short month's, and this is his 3rd strike his p.o. sent him back. Yeah, typically that’s what I heard in general former prison inmates can’t get any help so they end up doing the same things they used to do before they went to prison.
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Post by j94 on Oct 23, 2018 14:21:05 GMT
Yeah, I know it has to be hard for him. He just got tangled up in the stuff he used to do. He has a almost 3yr old child and he was in prison when she was born, I just think its sad hes only been in her life a few short month's, and this is his 3rd strike his p.o. sent him back. Yeah, typically that’s what I heard in general former prison inmates can’t get any help so they end up doing the same things they used to do before they went to prison. Just out of curiosity what bible do you read?
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Post by waris on Oct 23, 2018 14:28:15 GMT
Yeah, typically that’s what I heard in general former prison inmates can’t get any help so they end up doing the same things they used to do before they went to prison. Just out of curiosity what bible do you read? i read kjv, I think it’s the most common and I think it’s called standard. But whatever Bible you want to read that’s between you and God. I like kjv because of the wording and i feel it’s the only English version I can trust.
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Post by demetri on Oct 23, 2018 20:04:31 GMT
I started with a NIV and even now use that or a nkjv. I use kjv rarely. If you’re going to study hard or in depth though it might be more useful to reflect off and primarily use a kjv though.
Just read what you’re comfortable with and don’t be consumed by translations. If God directs you to a different version then cool. If not, cool again.
I let it get to me like a year or so ago and it messed me up. I didn’t like reading the kjv because some parts were hard for me to understand so I just wouldn’t read or I just couldn’t absorb anything. And I wouldn’t read my other versions cause they were “perverted” or whatever. It can be a stumbling block for some of us.
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Post by waris on Oct 24, 2018 1:10:35 GMT
I started with a NIV and even now use that or a nkjv. I use kjv rarely. If you’re going to study hard or in depth though it might be more useful to reflect off and primarily use a kjv though. Just read what you’re comfortable with and don’t be consumed by translations. If God directs you to a different version then cool. If not, cool again. I let it get to me like a year or so ago and it messed me up. I didn’t like reading the kjv because some parts were hard for me to understand so I just wouldn’t read or I just couldn’t absorb anything. And I wouldn’t read my other versions cause they were “perverted” or whatever. It can be a stumbling block for some of us. Well honestly if you don’t like the kjv because you can’t understand some parts, well not everyone is going to understand the whole Bible on the first read through. Don’t try to force the understanding or revelation because it’s God that reveals it to you. Maybe He wants you to focus on another passage for a specific purpose or lesson he wants you to learn.
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