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Post by zirui on Oct 17, 2018 16:38:54 GMT
Biblically speaking their is only one reality and timeline right? So there is no reality where the golden calf was not made or a reality where king Saul remains as king. Bibcally speaking there is only one timeline right? Probably because I don’t think it would make sense if in some alternate reality this a person gets aborted and make it to heaven and another alternate reality where the person is not aborted lives out their life but end up in hell. We know time travel is possible because God showed The apostle John the future.
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Post by demetri on Oct 17, 2018 21:04:06 GMT
would that mean Jesus has to go die in every universe? Kinda like the life on other planets argument. Does Jesus have to go die for them also?
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Post by Matthew on Oct 18, 2018 3:54:50 GMT
Well, there's a few problems with the question. First, the concept that God is outside time is not necessarily Biblical. God says He was and is and is to come. That means He existed before, He existed now, and He will continue to exist in the future. The Bible speaks of Him knowing what is to come, and that he predestined us, but never says He is in fact outside time (correct me on this if I'm wrong). Second, time travel is not necessarily plausible either. Getting a vision of the future isn't time travel, it's just like me telling you "Hey, God willing, the Sun will rise tomorrow". That doesn't mean you traveled in time, but you got a glimpse of what is to come. In the same fashion, there is no record of people praying for what is in the past. What is done is done, there are no second chances after this life. Just as Hebrews 9:27 says, "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment". To say there are multiple timelines is going dangerously close to going against this. It really defeats the point of God creating us to love us and have a relationship with us if there are a million renditions of us. There are just way too many red flags in all of this.
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Post by Jeff G on Oct 18, 2018 13:44:34 GMT
I like Matthew's response, that was good.
As for God being outside of time, people might cite Isaiah 57:15 as evidence - "For thus says the One who is high and lifted up, who inhabits eternity..." - although some translations have who lives forever instead of who inhabits eternity. Even with this verse, it's not entirely clear to me that it means God is outside time. And I like the reference to "He was and is and is to come" to indicate that God exists within time. Maybe it's possible to say that God is both within time and outside of it, I dunno...
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Post by waris on Oct 19, 2018 13:13:51 GMT
In order for there to be multiple universes there has to be an infinite amount with all possibilities. A universe with God and one without God cannot exist together because it would be contradicting. Therefore either all have to have God in it or all have to have no God. And if they can’t exist together then there can’t be infinite universes or infinite possibilities. So one universe with one God. However if you research the specific requirements for everything to function in the universe it has to be perfect, such as the earth being just the right amount of distance from the sun. To far or too close and nothing would work.
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