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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 1:17:17 GMT
Even if there's a way out of the Ghenna, being there for ONE MINUTE is so bad that it would be better to go through life missing an EYE or a Limb!
Even if there's a way out of the lake of fire, to be there for ONE MINUTE is so bad -- there is no comparison in this world!
and plus -- how can there be a minute in time without measure?
Stay out of hell folks
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Post by shane on Jan 27, 2017 1:36:34 GMT
Hey Serge, When you coming back? Definitely missing you man!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 1:37:48 GMT
been thinking about it, want to get forks for the tractor to move some of that JUNK!
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Post by Coreficus on Jan 27, 2017 3:25:19 GMT
Hello
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Post by moni on Jan 27, 2017 3:36:29 GMT
Im not planning to go there. What scares me is that deep down my heart i feel kind of resentment feeling or i dont know what is it that God allowed hell to exist and that we were born so weak. I try to fight it cause i know He is just and right whatever He does. I mean He is THE Creator what do i have to say. With my logic mind i see how stupid it is and how dangerous. i prayed about it, but there are still some ugly leftovers in me... I feel like this also is one of the blockage for me to hear Him cause I have unhealthy fear of His anger, the one that is paralyzing. There are times that i feel close to Him and times when I feel scared to reach for His love-And i need it so much to heal. I feel like ive done something wrong even if i dont know it and sometimes feel guilty just in case(?) cause i feel like if there is a place for people that do what i do this is horryfing, maybe i need to take care and seek what i did wrong first than to enjoy His love and yet I know i need it to grow. I want to be made perfect in love and i know i wont get anywhere like that. Prayed about any filter that i have but it keeps coming back and this is something deep. I believe He showed me i have a deep fear of failure which not only messes up my relationship with Him but also is cause for my anxiety in the most absurd situations. Cause well hello? This kind of failure can lead me to the most horrible place ever;_; im something like 4 months in my walk and i feel i grow slow because of that.. Anyone having similar problem?
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Post by coreficus on Jan 27, 2017 3:41:57 GMT
Moni, You need to learn to trust God more and Let Jesus live through you
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Post by James Brady on Jan 27, 2017 9:32:15 GMT
Praying for you, Moni. I went through exactly the same things between 4 months to about 2 years in. Pray for wisdom and really believe you will receive a huge gift of wisdom from God. He gives to all without finding fault.
Peace of Christ to you and over your life.
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Post by shane on Jan 27, 2017 17:50:20 GMT
been thinking about it, want to get forks for the tractor to move some of that JUNK! You wouldn't even recognize the farm today. We have done a lot of cleaning, clearing, and fencing. We really do need those bucket forks, I would have that top priority so we can take pallets on and off trucks.
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Post by shane on Jan 27, 2017 18:06:17 GMT
Im not planning to go there. What scares me is that deep down my heart i feel kind of resentment feeling or i dont know what is it that God allowed hell to exist and that we were born so weak. I try to fight it cause i know He is just and right whatever He does. I mean He is THE Creator what do i have to say. With my logic mind i see how stupid it is and how dangerous. i prayed about it, but there are still some ugly leftovers in me... I feel like this also is one of the blockage for me to hear Him cause I have unhealthy fear of His anger, the one that is paralyzing. There are times that i feel close to Him and times when I feel scared to reach for His love-And i need it so much to heal. I feel like ive done something wrong even if i dont know it and sometimes feel guilty just in case(?) cause i feel like if there is a place for people that do what i do this is horryfing, maybe i need to take care and seek what i did wrong first than to enjoy His love and yet I know i need it to grow. I want to be made perfect in love and i know i wont get anywhere like that. Prayed about any filter that i have but it keeps coming back and this is something deep. I believe He showed me i have a deep fear of failure which not only messes up my relationship with Him but also is cause for my anxiety in the most absurd situations. Cause well hello? This kind of failure can lead me to the most horrible place ever;_; im something like 4 months in my walk and i feel i grow slow because of that.. Anyone having similar problem? Hi Moni, Resentment, fear, anxiety, and weakness are not from God, that is the enemy messing with you. If you have done something wrong in the past you need to repent and sin no more. If you want to grow really fast pray that God reveals to you any sin and/or unforgiveness in your life and then repent and forgive. Once you have done that then ask the Lord how you are to serve him and obey. It is easy to write, but can be challenging to actually do. Take captive every thought and see if it lines up with God, if it does not rebuke it and move on. Also spend time in your bible every day, personally I do not like to even start my day before my prayer and bible study. Shane
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Post by moni on Jan 28, 2017 0:00:53 GMT
Praying for you, Moni. I went through exactly the same things between 4 months to about 2 years in. Pray for wisdom and really believe you will receive a huge gift of wisdom from God. He gives to all without finding fault. Peace of Christ to you and over your life. Wow up to 2 years! Its comforting to know its not only difficult for me. "Knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in my brethren that are in the world." Praying for wisdom is definetly good idea
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Post by onfireforyahweh on Jan 30, 2017 7:08:22 GMT
Hey Moni, I am dealing with the same thing. I definitely have an unhealthy fear of God. It's weird because once I have actually felt the love of God in a super powerful way, but I guess I forgot? There is a lot of times I get really fearful I'm not saved too and it is completely paralyzing just like you said. It's just going to take time. I want a relationship with God SO bad like in the Psalms. I want to be able to worship God, without having the fear that all in the end, I was doing it wrong and then God throws me into hell. I trust in Jesus as my savior, but there is still this doubt that somehow I'm doing it wrong. We can't love a God we are terrified of and feel like we can't trust. That verse "Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord" is completely terrifying to me. I'm so scared I am a false christian sometimes. I'm completely on fire for God, and I've felt His presence 3 times so far, but I still fear.
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Post by Jeff G on Jan 30, 2017 17:02:53 GMT
Hey onfire. You mentioned you want a relationship with God like in the Psalms. While I certainly know what you mean, consider the idea that your relationship with God can go beyond what the psalmists had available. In Psalm 51:11 David said "take not your Holy Spirit from me." But you, my friend, have the Holy Spirit as a constant, abiding presence. Jesus told us that "among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he" (Matthew 11:11). I say this as an encouragement to you. Truly, we are seated with Christ in heavenly places (Eph. 2:6). No one can snatch us out of His hand (John 10:28).
As for "Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord..." (Matt. 7:21), there shouldn't be anything to fear there. For we can know exactly what Jesus meant. He says it is the one who does the will of the Father that will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He goes on to compare the person who built his house on the rock with a person who built his house on the sand. If we hear the words of Jesus and do them, we are like a wise man or woman founded upon the rock. This fits with Paul's proclamation of salvation found in Rom. 10:9 - "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Notice this verse doesn't say "pronounce the words 'Jesus is Lord,' " but rather tells us to confess Him as Lord - meaning we acknowledge Him as Lord and intend to do what He says. (See also Luke 6:46, which introduces a different version of the house on the rock saying.) Don't let this cause you to think there is no room for error (sin) in following Jesus. "If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9). I try my best not to sin and to do whatever Jesus requires of me, but if I do sin I know I am forgiven.
Lest someone think that I'm teaching salvation by works, consider Ephesians 2:8-10 - "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." There is no work that we can do to be saved. But once we are saved, we should be transformed - conformed into the image of Christ - and useful to the Master and ready for every good work (Rom. 12:2, Rom 8:29, 2 Tim. 2:20-21). I hope this was helpful and encouraging to you. I know I, as well as others, will be praying for you.
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Post by moni on Jan 31, 2017 1:11:54 GMT
Hey Moni, I am dealing with the same thing. I definitely have an unhealthy fear of God. It's weird because once I have actually felt the love of God in a super powerful way, but I guess I forgot? There is a lot of times I get really fearful I'm not saved too and it is completely paralyzing just like you said. It's just going to take time. I want a relationship with God SO bad like in the Psalms. I want to be able to worship God, without having the fear that all in the end, I was doing it wrong and then God throws me into hell. I trust in Jesus as my savior, but there is still this doubt that somehow I'm doing it wrong. We can't love a God we are terrified of and feel like we can't trust. That verse "Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord" is completely terrifying to me. I'm so scared I am a false christian sometimes. I'm completely on fire for God, and I've felt His presence 3 times so far, but I still fear. Hi, i completely understand how you feel about "forgetting how it was feeling Gods love" cause when you actually feel it, it seems like you can never forget and from now on everything is going to be ok, and i also think its Gods encouraging us, telling us "its ok", "you got this im with you", but satan messes up with our feelings and as we started to believe one wrong thought then it blocks as and its really really sneaky. i recently prayed "God help me know You more, just as You want me to know You and how You want me to see You". I think God answered me. He led me to one of the Francis Chan sermons and it opened my eyes again and its all about going back to the roots which is cross. he was talking about how God the Father was willing to see His son suffer for us and how horrible it was for Jesus and how He prayed before that if thats possible for this cup to be taken away from Him and actually sweating blood. I mean its a big deal. It helped me a lot to connect back with God just meditating on His crucifiction and everything about this and actually learning more and being overwhelmed with this sacrifice and this love. and how graceful it was. And how He came to His own with pure love and they pierced Him yet He is full of forgivness love and compassion towards our ugly nature. He came for sinners, not for perfect ones. what really hit me is when francis chan was going on about the cross and this beautiful yet horrible thing and then he said "and do you think you could add anything to it?" I mean its so prideful for us to think that by us trying to be perfect in something we can earn what Jesus already accomplished with THIS MUCH. its stupid and prideful for us to think that we can add anything to His sacrifice. All we need is to realize what He did, and love Him. And when we love Him we dont want to do anything to disobey Him. We dont want to feel like this thing we just done in disobidience was what caused Him this pain. All that matters is love for Him and trust in His sacrifice. Thats what it means to believe. Cause if you really believe theres no way you wont love. All you need is relationship with Him and checkin in with your heart making sure you repent. Cause when you love Him you want to repent.
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Post by onfireforyahweh on Jan 31, 2017 4:38:01 GMT
Hey Moni, I am dealing with the same thing. I definitely have an unhealthy fear of God. It's weird because once I have actually felt the love of God in a super powerful way, but I guess I forgot? There is a lot of times I get really fearful I'm not saved too and it is completely paralyzing just like you said. It's just going to take time. I want a relationship with God SO bad like in the Psalms. I want to be able to worship God, without having the fear that all in the end, I was doing it wrong and then God throws me into hell. I trust in Jesus as my savior, but there is still this doubt that somehow I'm doing it wrong. We can't love a God we are terrified of and feel like we can't trust. That verse "Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord" is completely terrifying to me. I'm so scared I am a false christian sometimes. I'm completely on fire for God, and I've felt His presence 3 times so far, but I still fear. Hi, i completely understand how you feel about "forgetting how it was feeling Gods love" cause when you actually feel it, it seems like you can never forget and from now on everything is going to be ok, and i also think its Gods encouraging us, telling us "its ok", "you got this im with you", but satan messes up with our feelings and as we started to believe one wrong thought then it blocks as and its really really sneaky. i recently prayed "God help me know You more, just as You want me to know You and how You want me to see You". I think God answered me. He led me to one of the Francis Chan sermons and it opened my eyes again and its all about going back to the roots which is cross. he was talking about how God the Father was willing to see His son suffer for us and how horrible it was for Jesus and how He prayed before that if thats possible for this cup to be taken away from Him and actually sweating blood. I mean its a big deal. It helped me a lot to connect back with God just meditating on His crucifiction and everything about this and actually learning more and being overwhelmed with this sacrifice and this love. and how graceful it was. And how He came to His own with pure love and they pierced Him yet He is full of forgivness love and compassion towards our ugly nature. He came for sinners, not for perfect ones. what really hit me is when francis chan was going on about the cross and this beautiful yet horrible thing and then he said "and do you think you could add anything to it?" I mean its so prideful for us to think that by us trying to be perfect in something we can earn what Jesus already accomplished with THIS MUCH. its stupid and prideful for us to think that we can add anything to His sacrifice. All we need is to realize what He did, and love Him. And when we love Him we dont want to do anything to disobey Him. We dont want to feel like this thing we just done in disobidience was what caused Him this pain. All that matters is love for Him and trust in His sacrifice. Thats what it means to believe. Cause if you really believe theres no way you wont love. All you need is relationship with Him and checkin in with your heart making sure you repent. Cause when you love Him you want to repent. Good stuff. I agree with everything you are saying.
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Post by onfireforyahweh on Jan 31, 2017 4:44:09 GMT
Hey onfire. You mentioned you want a relationship with God like in the Psalms. While I certainly know what you mean, consider the idea that your relationship with God can go beyond what the psalmists had available. In Psalm 51:11 David said "take not your Holy Spirit from me." But you, my friend, have the Holy Spirit as a constant, abiding presence. Jesus told us that "among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he" (Matthew 11:11). I say this as an encouragement to you. Truly, we are seated with Christ in heavenly places (Eph. 2:6). No one can snatch us out of His hand (John 10:28). As for "Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord..." (Matt. 7:21), there shouldn't be anything to fear there. For we can know exactly what Jesus meant. He says it is the one who does the will of the Father that will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He goes on to compare the person who built his house on the rock with a person who built his house on the sand. If we hear the words of Jesus and do them, we are like a wise man or woman founded upon the rock. This fits with Paul's proclamation of salvation found in Rom. 10:9 - "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Notice this verse doesn't say "pronounce the words 'Jesus is Lord,' " but rather tells us to confess Him as Lord - meaning we acknowledge Him as Lord and intend to do what He says. (See also Luke 6:46, which introduces a different version of the house on the rock saying.) Don't let this cause you to think there is no room for error (sin) in following Jesus. "If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9). I try my best not to sin and to do whatever Jesus requires of me, but if I do sin I know I am forgiven. Lest someone think that I'm teaching salvation by works, consider Ephesians 2:8-10 - "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." There is no work that we can do to be saved. But once we are saved, we should be transformed - conformed into the image of Christ - and useful to the Master and ready for every good work (Rom. 12:2, Rom 8:29, 2 Tim. 2:20-21). I hope this was helpful and encouraging to you. I know I, as well as others, will be praying for you. Just the other day I just realized what confess meant. I saw it on a website that differentiated between obedience and works. He was saying that confessing is basically obeying, which is what you said. Well, there are certain people who think "the will of the Father" is to simply believe in Jesus. Because it says "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life" John 6:40 I completely agree with everything you are saying, though.
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