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Post by Larry Marquez on Dec 28, 2017 21:17:35 GMT
Is this a reference to Jesus?
" The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, prophesy and say, ‘This is what the Lord says:
“ ‘A sword, a sword, sharpened and polished— sharpened for the slaughter, polished to flash like lightning! “ ‘Shall we rejoice in the scepter of my royal son? The sword despises every such stick. " - Eziekel 21:8-10
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Post by Larry Marquez on Dec 30, 2017 8:01:21 GMT
I was rereading when Solomon asked for Wisdom. In 1 Kings 3:9 he actually asked for a discerning heart. Then in 1 Kings 3:12 God gave him that and added wisdom too. So I guess discernment is better than wisdom?
"I will do what you have asked. I will give you a wise and discerning heart, so that there will never have been anyone like you, nor will there ever be "
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Post by demetri on Dec 30, 2017 23:58:20 GMT
Thanks for bringing this up. I noticed this last time I read it but kinda brushed it off. Kjv says understanding heart although it also meant ions the word discern. Which could also mean to hear intelligently, discern, perceive. And a whole bunch of other things. I don't see any of the meanings mentioning wisdom though.
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Post by Larry Marquez on Jan 4, 2018 4:57:18 GMT
I liked how this verse described Jesus as God and the relationship with the Father.
" No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. " - John 1:18
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Post by demetri on Jan 4, 2018 8:42:07 GMT
What do you guys make of this ? 1 Samuel 28:19 New International Version The LORD will deliver both Israel and you into the hands of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The LORD will also give the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines."
I thought Saul died in sin but this says "you and your sons will be with me tomorrow" does he mean in the sheol/paradise with Samuel or just the fact that he's going to the Sheol/hades-hell.
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Post by Larry Marquez on Jan 4, 2018 15:13:18 GMT
Saul was filled with the spriit and baptised afterwords.
Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 9:17 NIV
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Post by Larry Marquez on Jan 4, 2018 16:05:02 GMT
(Freedom from every sin)
" “Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses." Acts 13:38-39 NIV
(Purified hearts) " After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. " Acts 15:7-9 NIV
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Post by christopher on Jan 4, 2018 17:17:49 GMT
Saul was filled with the spriit and baptised afterwords. Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 9:17 NIV Lol I think that is the wrong Saul. Saul was also the name of Paul before it was changed.
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Post by Larry Marquez on Jan 4, 2018 21:13:20 GMT
Saul was filled with the spriit and baptised afterwords. Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 9:17 NIV Lol I think that is the wrong Saul. Saul was also the name of Paul before it was changed. I was just naming him by his current name in the context of the verse.
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Post by christopher on Jan 4, 2018 22:42:20 GMT
No I mean I think Demetri was referring to king Saul
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Post by Jeff G on Jan 4, 2018 23:46:29 GMT
Regarding the issue with King Saul and his fate after death (being with Samuel), there are a couple ways this can be resolved. You made reference to the idea that Sheol has two compartments: one for the righteous where punishment doesn't take place, and one for the wicked where punishment does take place. Indeed, one way to make sense of Samuel's statement in 1 Samuel 28:19 is merely to say that Saul would die and would be in Sheol in general, and in that sense he would be with Samuel.
But another possibility is that Saul was not, in fact, destined for destruction. It is quite possible for a person to have disobeyed God in some matter, and therefore wasn't in a completely right standing before God, but yet was not headed for damnation. The example I have in mind is Moses. He disobeyed God in the matter of striking the rock instead of speaking to it, and therefore was not allowed to enter the Promised Land. He died without entering it. My point is that a person can be under some form of temporal punishment from God without actually being damned. Of course, Moses and Saul are two very different characters and their situations are very different. But I thought I would bring up this point.
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Post by demetri on Jan 6, 2018 7:49:54 GMT
Sorry for not being more clear on that somebodyelse, I meant king Saul.
And thanks Jeff for the response. Yeah, it seems like Samuels "ghost" (or whatever was conjured) may just be referring to being dead physically. If there is a spiritual meaning to it though it could mean, like you said, Saul may be with The Lord.
is it possible to say when the Spirit departed from Saul it was the "special anointing" which left him but the salvation of The Holy Spirit (so to speak) stayed? Because it seems like the only other option is when The Spirit left Saul he was toast physically and spiritually. Which seems more likely
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Post by demetri on Jan 6, 2018 8:03:58 GMT
Interesting "snip-it" from a commentary I just read
“If Samuel had said to Saul, ‘Thou shalt be among the damned,’ he would have crushed him with a weight of despair, and have hardened him in his impenitence; but by using this gentler expression, he mildly exhorted him to repentance. While there was life there was hope: the door was still open.”—Bishop Wordsworth.
Sorry, not sure why this 1 Samuel verse is so long interesting to me right now.
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Post by Jeff G on Jan 6, 2018 16:30:08 GMT
In 1 Samuel 16:14 it says that the Spirit departed from Saul. But later, in 1 Samuel 19:23, the Spirit came upon Saul once again. One thing to keep in mind here is that prior to the Cross, the Spirit wasn't necessarily a permanent presence with a person. Even if a person maintained a right standing with God, there was no guarantee the Spirit would always be with them. So it is difficult to use this information to gauge whether or not King Saul was 'saved' at the time of his death. It's actually pretty interesting that somebodyelse brought up the Apostle Saul/Paul. It may, in fact, be significant that they have the same name. If later generations of Israelites regarded King Saul as being completely corrupt and evil, then why would they name their children after him? Consider how certain names seemed to be popular at the time of Jesus and the Apostles. Here are some of the names among the twelve: Simon (actually the same as Simeon), Levi (the other name of Matthew), Judah (written as Judas or Jude in the NT), Jacob (English bibles typically say James). Now, notice that you don't find a lot of people named Ahab. A name like that doesn't seem to come up again. It seems to me that a name that is regarded as dishonorable would likely not reappear among the Jewish people. Something to take note of was that King Saul was from the tribe of Benjamin, and so was the Apostle Paul. It kind of seems like the name "Saul" was regarded as a good and respectable Benjaminite name. That doesn't definitively answer your question, but I suppose it's something to keep in mind.
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Post by demetri on Jan 6, 2018 17:48:41 GMT
tHe whole name reference is blowing my mind now. You don't see the name Jezebel either except for an extreme feminist website, go figure. Saul persecuted righteous David for no good reason, seeking to kill him, just like Saul(Paul) did to the Christians. But when God flipped him He changed Sauls name. I wonder how deep this goes. Thanks for blowing my mind somebody and Jeff
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