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Post by Larry Marquez on Feb 4, 2017 5:40:41 GMT
Which one was it? Also was it wrong to force a blessing from the angel or God when he said wouldn't let go of him?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 4:14:18 GMT
Here is my opinion. - It was an angel, but angels represent God. - Jacob used all his strength to get God to bless him. - I believe this is similar to Matthew 11:12. And, from the days of John the Baptist till now, the reign of the heavens doth suffer violence, and violent men do take it by force. - Jacob's hip was put out of place, but it's likely he was able to pop it back in place. I don't see and Biblical evidence that it was permanent. Sometimes we have to wrestle with God using our faith in order to get something from him. We have to 'push' with our faith. We can only use what faith we have, you can literally feel if you have faith for something.
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Post by Larry Marquez on Feb 9, 2017 7:05:55 GMT
Can you give an example with the last sentence you said?
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Post by moni on Feb 9, 2017 22:27:25 GMT
Ok soo whats the difference between law of attraction and wrestling with God using our faith. As far as im concerned law of attraction is witchcraft. I ve seen it work and my husband lives by it. But it always intrigues me cause it uses FAITH. you need a lot of it to make something happen. But the problem is that you can make immoral things happen as well and cause harm and ive seen cases people stopped believing in God cause after using law of attraction they started to believe in their own power. Something that leads you away from God FOR SURE cant be from God. Im very curious about this topic. People twist various Bible verses to back it up as well. And its ridiculous they somehow think they thought themselves into existance or something, they worship the universe which literally just the law and there is no right or wrong its only gratefulnes or attracting harm by bad thoughts. Yet i know God heals even if we dont have faith in being healed ive seen cases, He doesnt need us for anything He is mighty and practicers of law of attraction give themselves this mighty position. Its like another babylon same old trick like from the begining that "you will be like god" But it intugies me and also sometimes im too careful to put my faith on when i ask for something or meditate on it too much cause i dont want to get on THAT territory.
Tricky, also hard to convince my money loving husband to forsake it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 1:06:39 GMT
God has given humans power and authority to do pretty much anything imaginable. Whether they choose to do good or bad is up to the individual. I don't call everything different than what I know witchcraft, but I do think that manipulating people, and being greedy and self-centered are all wrong.
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Post by Larry Marquez on Feb 10, 2017 17:21:09 GMT
In Proverbs 11:18 mentions the tongue has the power of life or death and we reap what we sow regarding that.
Isn't there power speaking God's word out loud compared in our head?
Also some times in the Gospels Jesus said to people "your faith has healed you". Doesn't that apply to the law of attraction to some capacity?(How God wants us to be careful what we say )
God has taught me to pray about what I need (since God knows what I truly need) compared to asking for what I think I need or want.
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Post by moni on Feb 10, 2017 20:15:32 GMT
God has given humans power and authority to do pretty much anything imaginable. Whether they choose to do good or bad is up to the individual. I don't call everything different than what I know witchcraft, but I do think that manipulating people, and being greedy and self-centered are all wrong. Ok but i thought we were supposed to depend on Him and not on our thoughts and believeing in our own power?? And as far as im concerned He doesnt answer every prayer ESSPECIALLY when the intention of heart is wrong-which usually is the case with people using this law. also what i see in the Bible is asking Father in heaven of things that are promised to be fullfiled and not "sending out vibrations to the universe" what my husband does and he lost faith in God since he discovered it. And unbelievers practise this thing and it works for them. I dont think they have this kind of authority. I believe we are to trust and depend on Him. Cause i dont believe how getting someone lose their job is Gods plan. Thats what my husband actually achieved thru this. Meditating on taking someone out for a long time. And it happened. thats why it doesnt make sense to me. There is something wrong with that. Also i remember Doug saying in one of his videos that witchcraft is getting or achieveing something from source differenet then God. Which the "great universe" and vibrations are. Ultimetely God is always in charge and i know there will be consequences but i really dont think its biblical. Esspecially for unbelievers. Still curious tho.
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Post by Larry Marquez on Feb 13, 2017 17:22:26 GMT
God has given humans power and authority to do pretty much anything imaginable. Whether they choose to do good or bad is up to the individual. I don't call everything different than what I know witchcraft, but I do think that manipulating people, and being greedy and self-centered are all wrong. Ok but i thought we were supposed to depend on Him and not on our thoughts and believeing in our own power?? And as far as im concerned He doesnt answer every prayer ESSPECIALLY when the intention of heart is wrong-which usually is the case with people using this law. also what i see in the Bible is asking Father in heaven of things that are promised to be fullfiled and not "sending out vibrations to the universe" what my husband does and he lost faith in God since he discovered it. And unbelievers practise this thing and it works for them. I dont think they have this kind of authority. I believe we are to trust and depend on Him. Cause i dont believe how getting someone lose their job is Gods plan. Thats what my husband actually achieved thru this. Meditating on taking someone out for a long time. And it happened. thats why it doesnt make sense to me. There is something wrong with that. Also i remember Doug saying in one of his videos that witchcraft is getting or achieveing something from source differenet then God. Which the "great universe" and vibrations are. Ultimetely God is always in charge and i know there will be consequences but i really dont think its biblical. Esspecially for unbelievers. Still curious tho. How does the "placebo effect" to relate to our faith and want we say?
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Post by ingalsbe on Mar 1, 2017 0:33:33 GMT
God has given humans power and authority to do pretty much anything imaginable. Whether they choose to do good or bad is up to the individual. I don't call everything different than what I know witchcraft, but I do think that manipulating people, and being greedy and self-centered are all wrong. Ok but i thought we were supposed to depend on Him and not on our thoughts and believeing in our own power?? And as far as im concerned He doesnt answer every prayer ESSPECIALLY when the intention of heart is wrong-which usually is the case with people using this law. also what i see in the Bible is asking Father in heaven of things that are promised to be fullfiled and not "sending out vibrations to the universe" what my husband does and he lost faith in God since he discovered it. And unbelievers practise this thing and it works for them. I dont think they have this kind of authority. I believe we are to trust and depend on Him. Cause i dont believe how getting someone lose their job is Gods plan. Thats what my husband actually achieved thru this. Meditating on taking someone out for a long time. And it happened. thats why it doesnt make sense to me. There is something wrong with that. Also i remember Doug saying in one of his videos that witchcraft is getting or achieveing something from source differenet then God. Which the "great universe" and vibrations are. Ultimetely God is always in charge and i know there will be consequences but i really dont think its biblical. Esspecially for unbelievers. Still curious tho. when we pray to God, we are simply talking to him and, sometimes, making requests. projecting your speech out for all of creation to hear is a different act all together. it all depends on where your speech is directed. if directed to God, then it is prayer. if directed out to creation (the universe, the 2nd heaven, or 3rd heaven), then, usually, any spiritual creature will hear it. No matter where you direct it, God always will hear it, because God sees all and hears all. based off of my understanding, you can have 2 types of authority: Authority in Jesus and authority in satan. the closer you get to Jesus, the more authority you get to push back satan and to do other things that Jesus would want you to do. the closer you get to satan the more you can contract out demons to do your bidding. the law of attraction reminds me of witchcraft at its very core. for witchcraft to work, you need essentially 4 things: 1) desire – the want for something to happen 2) motive – the reason why you want it to happen (needs to be evil or sinful in nature) 3) thought – to constantly think about it and dwell upon it (imaginations) - while using your desires and motives. 4) making the decree. ( this is their chanting, or spell, or simply just saying it out loud) (with the law of attraction, this is projecting it out into the universe) magic spells work, because you contract out demons to do your bidding. causing someone to lose their job with magic spells, essentially, is contracting out demons to cause strife, or something else to cause the person to get fired. maybe the demons of forgetfulness will jump on the victim and cause him to always forget stuff and, eventually, he gets laid off for always failing to do his job. the law of attraction is contracting out demons to do the persons bidding. depending on how much authority the person has with satan will probably depend on how long it takes for something to come to pass. sending out vibrations into the universe, seems like the spiritual way to communicate that decree out to all the demons lurking about in this universe. those vibrations is the magic spell communicated in spiritual form. when you talk to God, make sure the conversation is pointed (projected) towards God and not anywhere else. that way you can avoid witchcraft.
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Post by ingalsbe on Mar 1, 2017 0:41:53 GMT
Which one was it? Also was it wrong to force a blessing from the angel or God when he said wouldn't let go of him? Which one was it? there are theologies that states it both ways. Some say it was God. Some say it was an angel. then there is another that says that it was Jesus. who was it? I was not there, so I cannot say. Is it wrong to force a blessing? well... if it was God or Jesus, what if he was testing Jacob? If it was a test, then maybe it was the correct response. As for me, i might request a blessing, but i wouldnt try to force one.
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Post by moni on Mar 1, 2017 2:03:15 GMT
Ok but i thought we were supposed to depend on Him and not on our thoughts and believeing in our own power?? And as far as im concerned He doesnt answer every prayer ESSPECIALLY when the intention of heart is wrong-which usually is the case with people using this law. also what i see in the Bible is asking Father in heaven of things that are promised to be fullfiled and not "sending out vibrations to the universe" what my husband does and he lost faith in God since he discovered it. And unbelievers practise this thing and it works for them. I dont think they have this kind of authority. I believe we are to trust and depend on Him. Cause i dont believe how getting someone lose their job is Gods plan. Thats what my husband actually achieved thru this. Meditating on taking someone out for a long time. And it happened. thats why it doesnt make sense to me. There is something wrong with that. Also i remember Doug saying in one of his videos that witchcraft is getting or achieveing something from source differenet then God. Which the "great universe" and vibrations are. Ultimetely God is always in charge and i know there will be consequences but i really dont think its biblical. Esspecially for unbelievers. Still curious tho. when we pray to God, we are simply talking to him and, sometimes, making requests. projecting your speech out for all of creation to hear is a different act all together. it all depends on where your speech is directed. if directed to God, then it is prayer. if directed out to creation (the universe, the 2nd heaven, or 3rd heaven), then, usually, any spiritual creature will hear it. No matter where you direct it, God always will hear it, because God sees all and hears all. based off of my understanding, you can have 2 types of authority: Authority in Jesus and authority in satan. the closer you get to Jesus, the more authority you get to push back satan and to do other things that Jesus would want you to do. the closer you get to satan the more you can contract out demons to do your bidding. the law of attraction reminds me of witchcraft at its very core. for witchcraft to work, you need essentially 4 things: 1) desire – the want for something to happen 2) motive – the reason why you want it to happen (needs to be evil or sinful in nature) 3) thought – to constantly think about it and dwell upon it (imaginations) - while using your desires and motives. 4) making the decree. ( this is their chanting, or spell, or simply just saying it out loud) (with the law of attraction, this is projecting it out into the universe) magic spells work, because you contract out demons to do your bidding. causing someone to lose their job with magic spells, essentially, is contracting out demons to cause strife, or something else to cause the person to get fired. maybe the demons of forgetfulness will jump on the victim and cause him to always forget stuff and, eventually, he gets laid off for always failing to do his job. the law of attraction is contracting out demons to do the persons bidding. depending on how much authority the person has with satan will probably depend on how long it takes for something to come to pass. sending out vibrations into the universe, seems like the spiritual way to communicate that decree out to all the demons lurking about in this universe. those vibrations is the magic spell communicated in spiritual form. when you talk to God, make sure the conversation is pointed (projected) towards God and not anywhere else. that way you can avoid witchcraft. Is it true? Makes a lot of sense. There is this abraham hicks lady that claims to channel some angels or spirits and that taught her all of this and my husband listens to that religously... It looked purely demonic from the begining So basically directing my thought is done thru intention right? If i intent to contact God then noone else will hear it? Also this gives me a lot more relief when it comes to meditating on Gods word (that im not walking on law of attraction territory when using my faith and imagination) is there any biblical support to this? Or thats revelation knowledge?
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Post by ingalsbe on Mar 2, 2017 3:44:54 GMT
channeling angels leads to channeling fallen angels or demons. i think that falls in line with divination.
Directional speaking: yes, if you intent is to talk to someone, then that is who it is usually directed to. imagine this: there is a crowd of people in front of you and you talk to a single person in that crowd, from a distance. you are directing your speech towards that person. same concept with talking to God.
is this biblical? Well the 4 core components of witchcraft came from my research. one day i was researching witchcraft. according to a high ranking satanist, he mentioned the things needed to do magic spells at the very core. Well, i like to know how things work, so the Holy Spirit expanded on it and taught me how it works in the spiritual realm.
I changed out the wording a little bit from what the satanist said, to what the Hold Spirit revealed to me about it. I learned about directional speaking from experimentation and i was given at least some understanding on it.
Could i find bible verses on some of these things? I do believe so. The first sermon i gave was one about making decrees. that list i posted came out of it. I could probably find the verses in it or maybe just post the whole sermon. (it would be easier on me and less time consuming if i just posted the sermon - it took like 60 to 80 hours to write) Im not that good about memorizing bible verses. I tend to remember what sticks out and what is important to me at that time (usually the lesson(s) and not necessarily the exact wordings)
will no one else hear your conversation with God? A lot of people say no. But im still struggling with that answer myself.
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Post by ingalsbe on Mar 2, 2017 22:11:43 GMT
here are some basic scriptures for you. the first set of scriptures shows our authority in Christ:
According to Romans 8:16-17, we are joint heirs with Jesus. What you need to realize is that Jesus has been given power and authority over everything (according to matthew 28:18) if we are joint heirs with Christ, then we inherit noble decree making power in heaven. According to (matthew 18:18), “Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” this shows that we can bind and loose things in heaven and earth by the decrees we make. Job 22:28 says it quite plainly: “Thou shalt also decree a thing, and it shall be established unto thee: and the light shall shine upon thy ways.” You just need to remember that you can decree both good and bad things unto ourselves and others.
going further, Proverbs 18:21 says “Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.” this shows that we can bring "death" down upon us through what we say. The death side of the tongue would be witchcraft.
Also, God searches our hearts (Jer 17:10), so he knows what is in our heart. Second, God will give us the desires of our hearts (according to Ps 21:2, Mark 11:24, Ps 37:4, Prov 10:24, Ps 145:19).
there are multiple examples of where God turns people over to their lusts (romans 1:24-30) (Psalm 81:12), so if people want something bad enough, God will turn them over to it. if they want witchcraft, then God will turn them over to it.
so, essentially, if someone desires something enough, then God can turn them over to it. people can destroy their life and the life of others through their tongue and desires. and they will be responsible for it, because God will hold them accountable for those things come judgment day.
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Post by moni on Mar 3, 2017 1:34:31 GMT
God save us from desires of our hearts. Please crucify our flesh we are too weak to fight against it on our own. Only You can keep it dead and us alive in Christ. Our hearts are wicked and desire wicked things, please make the rivers of life flow through it instead of lust and pride please take our hearts by force if necessary, stop our flesh from blinding us. You are Holy I want to die and be with Jesus this flesh is too much and it doesnt want to let go of things i hate it i know i dont deserve to be with Jesus and if i see Him how will i feel i mean how is it even possible to be in His presence i just imagine how horrible it must feel knowing He is Holy and sees thru all of you and how do you even go about this How is it possible to be clean enough i mean the heart can be evil in THE MOST SNEAKIEST OF WAYS. Im sorry its so offtopic im going with the flow currently im being broken
I know "what is impossible with man is possible with God" but can i sabotage Gods work? I feel like i will, like i will disappoint and my flesh will get in the way. If im supposed to rest in Him and let Him work then why is it this difficult. Is it all faith? Is my faith making it possible to cleanse me or is it God? Or is faith a gift from God? But its still difficult! I walk around daily thinking everything is ok busy with work, thinking talking to Jesus in my head while on my way to work is enough wondering why im not feeling His presence till i come to Him and realize ive been in the world blinded by my flesh and feel like a dirt. Not getting anywhere not even knowing what im supposed to do for Him. I cant believe how content i was. He is Holy!
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Post by demetri on Mar 3, 2017 3:50:33 GMT
God save us from desires of our hearts. Please crucify our flesh we are too weak to fight against it on our own. Only You can keep it dead and us alive in Christ. Our hearts are wicked and desire wicked things, please make the rivers of life flow through it instead of lust and pride please take our hearts by force if necessary, stop our flesh from blinding us. You are Holy I want to die and be with Jesus this flesh is too much and it doesnt want to let go of things i hate it i know i dont deserve to be with Jesus and if i see Him how will i feel i mean how is it even possible to be in His presence i just imagine how horrible it must feel knowing He is Holy and sees thru all of you and how do you even go about this How is it possible to be clean enough i mean the heart can be evil in THE MOST SNEAKIEST OF WAYS. Im sorry its so offtopic im going with the flow currently im being broken I know "what is impossible with man is possible with God" but can i sabotage Gods work? I feel like i will, like i will disappoint and my flesh will get in the way. If im supposed to rest in Him and let Him work then why is it this difficult. Is it all faith? Is my faith making it possible to cleanse me or is it God? Or is faith a gift from God? But its still difficult! I walk around daily thinking everything is ok busy with work, thinking talking to Jesus in my head while on my way to work is enough wondering why im not feeling His presence till i come to Him and realize ive been in the world blinded by my flesh and feel like a dirt. Not getting anywhere not even knowing what im supposed to do for Him. I cant believe how content i was. He is Holy! You're not alone moni. I relate to your whole post. Thanks for posting what was on your heart
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